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Those political protests are for very good reasons.

Nuclear plants are never kept up to the standards they should be. See Fukushima Daiichi. We still have no good solution to what to do with the waste. And finally the more nuclear fuel there is the more likely it becomes some will be diverted to bad people.

I don't mind the political protests Ken. I agree they serve a valuable purpose. And I am in favor of people helping to determing public policy.

However the DOE guidelines are supposed to represent a reasonably best case implimentation. And the figures are not "fair" they are unethically shaded toward a green position.

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Do Liberals really think if they spout pure bullshit like "The IRS scandal is not true!" That everyone will forget that the SAME IRS APOLIGIZED FOR PROFILING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS? I wonder why the IRS ADMITTED they profiled if they did not? Libs have a short attention span? Forgot about the IRS admission? Wasn't too long ago.

There was no scandal because none of the groups liberal or conservative should have been approved at all. Then it came out that the reason the Treasury IG report only discussed the conservative groups is because Issa asked for a report specifically on that. IOW Issa knew what was happening, that it happened to groups on both sides and tried to put a fraud over on the citizens of this nation.

Note that Issa has now dropped the matter entirely and is trying to gin up something new on Benghazi.

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ORIGINAL: papassion Do Liberals really think if they spout pure bullshit like The IRS scandal is not true! That everyone will forget that the SAME IRS APOLIGIZED FOR PROFILING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS? I wonder why the IRS ADMITTED they profiled if they did not? Libs have a short attention span? Forgot about the IRS admission? Wasn't too long ago.

There was no scandal because none of the groups liberal or conservative should have been approved at all. Then it came out that the reason the Treasury IG report only discussed the conservative groups is because Issa asked for a report specifically on that. IOW Issa knew what was happening, that it happened to groups on both sides and tried to put a fraud over on the citizens of this nation. Note that Issa has now dropped the matter entirely and is trying to gin up something new on Benghazi.

Uh. Logic fail. If none of the groups should have been approved - and liberals selectively were - thats a scandal. If groups should have been subjected to scrutiny - and only conservative gruops were subjected to comprehensive review- thats a scandal. And frankly, despite your assertions, groups that want to organize to teach the constitution are a perfectly valid c(4) purpose.

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Those political protests are for very good reasons.

Nuclear plants are never kept up to the standards they should be. See Fukushima Daiichi. We still have no good solution to what to do with the waste. And finally the more nuclear fuel there is the more likely it becomes some will be diverted to bad people.

I don't mind the political protests Ken. I agree they serve a valuable purpose. And I am in favor of people helping to determing public policy.

However the DOE guidelines are supposed to represent a reasonably best case implimentation. And the figures are not "fair" they are unethically shaded toward a green position.

If the DOE regulations were actually observed you might have a point. But the reality is the power generation companies let their nuclear plants rot while doing far less than the required maintenance.

We should continue researching nuclear power and if we ever reach a consensus on what to do with the waste in a permanent manner then maybe we could build more plants but until then no.

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Do Liberals really think if they spout pure bullshit like "The IRS scandal is not true!" That everyone will forget that the SAME IRS APOLIGIZED FOR PROFILING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS? I wonder why the IRS ADMITTED they profiled if they did not? Libs have a short attention span? Forgot about the IRS admission? Wasn't too long ago.

There was no scandal because none of the groups liberal or conservative should have been approved at all. Then it came out that the reason the Treasury IG report only discussed the conservative groups is because Issa asked for a report specifically on that. IOW Issa knew what was happening, that it happened to groups on both sides and tried to put a fraud over on the citizens of this nation.

Note that Issa has now dropped the matter entirely and is trying to gin up something new on Benghazi.

Again, more BS. The IRS doesn't know its own rules and apologize just for the hell of it? The recent hearing where they questioned the IG, he admitted he did NOT interview any of the bosses or just about anybody in authority. Then who the hell did he interview to come up with a "finding?" The doorman? the janitor?

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I guess you missed the article where the irs sent one pro life org, a letter telling them if they promised in writing to not picket and/or protest at planned parenthood they'd grant them thier tax exempt status

where I come from thats called extortion at least and blackmail at worst, but I also think it falls under the heading of persecution!

and BTW when you select one group to send letters asking for more info and not ALL OTHER groups asking for the same info, yeahhh that ALSO falls under the heading of persecution!

That was a group applying for 501(c)3 status and that requires that the organization do these and only these things....

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I guess you missed the article where the irs sent one pro life org, a letter telling them if they promised in writing to not picket and/or protest at planned parenthood they'd grant them thier tax exempt status

where I come from thats called extortion at least and blackmail at worst, but I also think it falls under the heading of persecution!

and BTW when you select one group to send letters asking for more info and not ALL OTHER groups asking for the same info, yeahhh that ALSO falls under the heading of persecution!

That was a group applying for 501(c)3 status and that requires that the organization do these and only these things....

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Yale University did some studies in 2003 and again in 2011 about politics and peoples perception. . They gave a ficticious position by one political party and asked the group what they thought of that position. Conservatives interpreted it their way and Liberals did the same, their way. It is called "selective interpretation" People "believe" what they want despite solid FACTS if it supports their party's argument.

That principal is very evident in these threads.

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I guess you missed the article where the irs sent one pro life org, a letter telling them if they promised in writing to not picket and/or protest at planned parenthood they'd grant them thier tax exempt status

where I come from thats called extortion at least and blackmail at worst, but I also think it falls under the heading of persecution!

and BTW when you select one group to send letters asking for more info and not ALL OTHER groups asking for the same info, yeahhh that ALSO falls under the heading of persecution!

That was a group applying for 501(c)3 status and that requires that the organization do these and only these things....

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Why would he interview anyone after the local supervisor admitted he was the person who started doing this?

As to the IRS not knowing the law, the IRS has been operating in direct violation of the law in question. You can read the law and compare it to what IRS says the rules are.

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I guess you missed the article where the irs sent one pro life org, a letter telling them if they promised in writing to not picket and/or protest at planned parenthood they'd grant them thier tax exempt status

where I come from thats called extortion at least and blackmail at worst, but I also think it falls under the heading of persecution!

and BTW when you select one group to send letters asking for more info and not ALL OTHER groups asking for the same info, yeahhh that ALSO falls under the heading of persecution!

That was a group applying for 501(c)3 status and that requires that the organization do these and only these things....

While it is true that c(3) and c(4) organizations are enjoined from certain activities it is illegal and immoral to use the powers of the IRS to selective enjoin organizations from constitutionally protected freedoms.

If a group intends to routinely break the law why should we let their donors get tax deductions?

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I guess you missed the article where the irs sent one pro life org, a letter telling them if they promised in writing to not picket and/or protest at planned parenthood they'd grant them thier tax exempt status

where I come from thats called extortion at least and blackmail at worst, but I also think it falls under the heading of persecution!

and BTW when you select one group to send letters asking for more info and not ALL OTHER groups asking for the same info, yeahhh that ALSO falls under the heading of persecution!

That was a group applying for 501(c)3 status and that requires that the organization do these and only these things....

While it is true that c(3) and c(4) organizations are enjoined from certain activities it is illegal and immoral to use the powers of the IRS to selective enjoin organizations from constitutionally protected freedoms.

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Do Liberals really think if they spout pure bullshit like "The IRS scandal is not true!" That everyone will forget that the SAME IRS APOLIGIZED FOR PROFILING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS? I wonder why the IRS ADMITTED they profiled if they did not? Libs have a short attention span? Forgot about the IRS admission? Wasn't too long ago.

There was no scandal because none of the groups liberal or conservative should have been approved at all. Then it came out that the reason the Treasury IG report only discussed the conservative groups is because Issa asked for a report specifically on that. IOW Issa knew what was happening, that it happened to groups on both sides and tried to put a fraud over on the citizens of this nation.

Note that Issa has now dropped the matter entirely and is trying to gin up something new on Benghazi.

Again, more BS. The IRS doesn't know its own rules and apologize just for the hell of it? The recent hearing where they questioned the IG, he admitted he did NOT interview any of the bosses or just about anybody in authority. Then who the hell did he interview to come up with a "finding?" The doorman? the janitor?

Why would he interview anyone after the local supervisor admitted he was the person who started doing this?

As to the IRS not knowing the law, the IRS has been operating in direct violation of the law in question. You can read the law and compare it to what IRS says the rules are.

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If all they do is teach the Constitution then sure they qualify but none of the groups were doing that exclusively as the law requires and once again groups on both sides were subject to the same level of scrutiny. There is no scandal except that Issa lied to the nation.

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Because you are not a mind reader and cannot know when a group 'routinely intends' to break the law.
Because the statute doesn't allow it?
Because every person is afforded due process?

You are sounding an awful lot like a Nazi. A very weird liberal nazi.