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hrxxx -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 2:34:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: hrxxx


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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oxforddictionaries it´s in a book so its true


Is slavery legal in denmark?

Can you own a woman, legally, walk her downtown on a leash, beat her in the town square, kill her if you so desire?



If you kills someone then you go to prison, slave or not.
Yes I can go with her on a leash, people will look after us and it will be embarrassing, but it is possible.
Punish her publicly, Well if I did that, we'd probably go to the police station if she did not bleed or want to report it, then nothing happens, so yes it is possible to punish her publicly.
Yes owning her in the sense that she gives up her life to be 24/7 slave girl, and she lives within my limits, therefore BDSM criteria the most important for a slave girl.


And you wonder why you are having problems.

I do not have problems, I know what I seek.
I have no problem with knowing the difference between submissive and slave



sexyred1 -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 2:38:38 PM)

You do have a problem.

Your posts are boring and redundant.

And drivel. You can look that up in a dictionary as well.



tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 2:43:43 PM)

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I do not have problems, I know what I seek.
I have no problem with knowing the difference between submissive and slave


What you seek does not exist.

The fact that you can be arrested for what you do with your "property" says much about how your definition of a slave is wrong.

Even you admit as much.

So, you are working with a flawed belief of what a slave is.... and is likely why you will be alone for a long time.



hrxxx -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 2:57:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I do not have problems, I know what I seek.
I have no problem with knowing the difference between submissive and slave


What you seek does not exist.

The fact that you can be arrested for what you do with your "property" says much about how your definition of a slave is wrong.

Even you admit as much.

So, you are working with a flawed belief of what a slave is.... and is likely why you will be alone for a long time.

BDSM is much more than what you see



tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 3:00:45 PM)

You are telling someone who has been in the lifestyle for the better part of 30 years that.



hrxxx -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 3:30:21 PM)

It's not about how many years, but about what you have experienced during the years



tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 3:32:33 PM)

I have experienced much... play.... submission... slavery... abuse.

You are attempting to tell a group of women who have many years in the lifestyle, and successful relationships, that they are wrong.

What you fail to grasp is that "real" slavery (your chosen word, "real") is illegal.



TieMeInKnottss -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 3:58:52 PM)

You may be allowed to walk down the street with a woman on a leash because it is HER decision to allow that. Yes, no one will stop you unless she screams HELP! Or STOP! That is the difference between traditional slavery (& sadly I believe that some countries' lack of women's rights would still permit it even if the woman was screaming) & BDSM slavery. She is your slave and will bend to your will but the DECISION to do so is still hers. Yes, we say a sub gives consent every time but, in reality...if a slave says "no" to sex with her master she can still charge him with rape if he ignores her..the difference is the mindset of the people involved. I don't say no to Him because He is important to me, I want to please him, I want his approval and, saying no, without a valid reason (& HOW I say no) would end our dynamic because it would break our agreement.



tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 4:12:18 PM)

And walking a woman on a leash in and of itself doesnt make her a slave.

Can you own a woman, legally, walk her downtown on a leash, beat her in the town square, kill her if you so desire?

That wasnt a different set of situations.



TNDommeK -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 6:58:48 PM)

Ok y'all have to pardon my A.D.D. bc I skimmed the comments. But I have to say as far as the slave vs. submissive deal, I agree with hrxxx. Is there not a difference in sub and slave? For instance, to me, a slave does what is told without question. The slave follows blindly and trusts that the owner has enough sense not to have slave jump off a building. And a submissive has the right to say no.
That's the reason I seek slave females not submissives.

As far as the rest of his crazy posts here and other threads, yea he's living in a fantasy world. But seriously some input would be good as to why the disagreement with the sub/slave statement.



tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 7:07:29 PM)

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Is there not a difference in sub and slave? For instance, to me, a slave does what is told without question.


Im allowed to question. He is the one who determines, based upon my questions, if he still desires me to do as he commanded.

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The slave follows blindly and trusts that the owner has enough sense not to have slave jump off a building. And a submissive has the right to say no.
That's the reason I seek slave females not submissives.


For example, I have a Doctors appointment Tuesday that has taken me 3 months to get for my diabetes. The man told me to do something else Tuesday. Had I not questioned him about the appointment.....

I think its incredibly insane for anyone to tell a slave to "blindly follow me" because, honey, there isnt a dominant alive who is perfect.



OsideGirl -> RE: Online only? (6/30/2013 9:46:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

Ok y'all have to pardon my A.D.D. bc I skimmed the comments. But I have to say as far as the slave vs. submissive deal, I agree with hrxxx. Is there not a difference in sub and slave? For instance, to me, a slave does what is told without question. The slave follows blindly and trusts that the owner has enough sense not to have slave jump off a building. And a submissive has the right to say no.
That's the reason I seek slave females not submissives.

As far as the rest of his crazy posts here and other threads, yea he's living in a fantasy world. But seriously some input would be good as to why the disagreement with the sub/slave statement.



That wasn't the point. I was stating that submissive women, ie: our side of the kneel, were disagreeing with his approach and that rather than telling us that we're wrong, perhaps adjusting his approach would yield better results.

He then went into a fantasy-porn based description of his definition of slave and decided to tell all of us how our relationships work. So, that he could still tell us we were wrong about how we like to be approached.



hrxxx -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 1:24:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Is there not a difference in sub and slave? For instance, to me, a slave does what is told without question.


Im allowed to question. He is the one who determines, based upon my questions, if he still desires me to do as he commanded.

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The slave follows blindly and trusts that the owner has enough sense not to have slave jump off a building. And a submissive has the right to say no.
That's the reason I seek slave females not submissives.


For example, I have a Doctors appointment Tuesday that has taken me 3 months to get for my diabetes. The man told me to do something else Tuesday. Had I not questioned him about the appointment.....

I think its incredibly insane for anyone to tell a slave to "blindly follow me" because, honey, there isnt a dominant alive who is perfect.

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TNDommeK


Here are some pictures so you can see if there is a difference between sub and slave.
slave or sub?
TNDommeK is right! A slave can not say no! and when a slave girl can not say no! do you think that is not the most important for her is to find a Master whose limits to suit her, or should she begin to look for candles dinner? She could very well come to sit and eat her own breast nipples, at that candlelight dinner
BDSM criteria first and everything else is unimportant, so we are back where we started!
After 8 pages are my conclusions tion only that you live in a D /. relationship., and is the slave by tittel only

Fortunately share 90% of the girls who lists themselves as a slave, my view of the M/S relationship and not yours!



tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 1:34:24 AM)

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Here are some pictures so you can see if there is a difference between sub and slave.
slave or sub?


ROFL

I know pain sluts who are into most of what you posted. And they are not slaves. They just happen to enjoy pain and they negotiate the play.

I know subs who are absolute cum sluts... some who are piss whores... some who enjoy being "raped"... and not a single one are slaves.

Quit following a fantasy here.

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TNDommeK is right! A slave can not say no!


Wrong.

"Has the mail come yet, slut?" "No, Master"

"Did that hurt?" "No, Master"

An appropriate time to say no.

A smart owner never puts their slave into a position to HAVE to say no.

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BDSM criteria first and everything else is unimportant, so we are back where we started!
After 8 pages are my conclusions tion only that you live in a D /. relationship., and is the slave by tittel only


It would be wonderful if you had a typing slave who could help you with spelling. However, do not assume you know my situation, what my relationship is with other people, or how I am viewed by friends and those I know personally in the lifestyle.

But, frankly speaking, since you just belittled some people I happen to respect highly, and assumed you know more about me than the man I live with, allow me to express an opinion.

You are looking for a fantasy... I suggest you stick to the fantasy. You want a no limits slave who will allow you to do what you want, when you want, how you want. I suggest you figure out before you attempt those things that what YOU want is what SHE wants, instead of assuming she will meekly accept all your desires... else, you will be posting to the message boards from jail.



TNDommeK -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 2:31:36 AM)

I see what you're saying Tazzy, there are exceptions and of course those are understandable. I was more so speaking on doing what is told with out question. And while I agree that no one is perfect, if I own a slave or if hubby owns a slave we expect the whole"blindly follow" aspect. Every house is different, it works for us. Are there times that we ask our slaves for opinions? Of course. Are there times we actually allow their opinions to take place? Yes.

Thanks Oside, I should probably have read the comments more closely.

Hrxxx, ya lost me in your sub vs slave example. Tazzy is right, submissive woman can be pain sluts. I think I look at subs differently that's you do. I think a submissive submits..a slave is what it is, a slave.

Ok, sorry for the interruption..carry on y'all



tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 2:47:13 AM)

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I see what you're saying Tazzy, there are exceptions and of course those are understandable. I was more so speaking on doing what is told with out question. And while I agree that no one is perfect, if I own a slave or if hubby owns a slave we expect the whole"blindly follow" aspect. Every house is different, it works for us. Are there times that we ask our slaves for opinions? Of course. Are there times we actually allow their opinions to take place? Yes.


I was not taking exception at how you run your home. But a blanket definition of "A slave does not say no" is quite in error.

Are orders expected to be followed? Yes. If I say no, I damn well better have an excellent reason. Real life has a way of getting in the way of those orders.

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The slave follows blindly and trusts that the owner has enough sense not to have slave jump off a building. And a submissive has the right to say no.
That's the reason I seek slave females not submissives.


I wanted to touch back on this again. My job, according to the man, is to take care of him. His job, is to ensure I am capable, and healthy enough, to do my job. Part of ensuring that I am healthy enough to do so would be me having the ability to question and even refuse commands that would cause permanent harm to myself.

In other words, I dont have to trust that He wont tell me to jump off a building. If he does, I have the blanket right to say "no" to him because he already gave me the command to do so.

Then again, he knows my fear of heights and the fact that I would likely pass out before I got to the edge would take care of the jumping part as well, all naturally.



TieMeInKnottss -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 3:37:22 AM)

TNK...if one of your slaves says "nope...not going to happen. I am out of here. Thanks", are you going to lock him/her up? discipline them? You can't without breaking the law because his/her slavery is voluntary. Can you say "don't let the door hit you on the way out"? Of course but, legally you cannot stop them from "releasing" themselves. (BTW... I know YOU wouldn't because I have followed enough of your posts[:D] )

If Oside or Tazzy wake up one morning and decide they want a divorce & walk out...no lawyer or judge is going to say "you don't have the right to file for a divorce". The only places that come even close would be countries where Sharia is the rule of law.

If I decide to stop answering MalcomN's calls, emails...tell him to not come to my house...he has no recourse. Granted, I would NOT do that because, to do so, would put an end to our relationship. I choose to do what he tells me to do (granted...we are not in so deep yet to really call it "ownership") because we discussed what it was we ultimately wanted &, in order to get to that point, I must. To say no, would put us at the end and I do not want it to end...

If he decides to run off and marry someone else & never contact me again....there is no way of forcing him to honor our dynamic. In true historic slavery, a master was legally responsible for his slave's actions (I.e. driving a carriage & took out a fence, left a gate open & his master's livestock ate the neighbor's crops...) but, if MN tells me to break into a bank & I do it...he is not the one going to jail because the court will say I made the decision to do what I was told & I chose to break the law...



TNDommeK -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 3:58:19 AM)

I completely understand you and Tazzy's points. When I say "no right to say no" I'm referring to requests, orders etc. if I ask my slave to (thinking of an example) dance for Me and she says no (and means it) then I no longer have control of her submission and is therefore no reason for me to own her. There has to be a clear difference. If she has a blanket then you have the same rights as a submissive. In your opinion what's the difference, other than the label?




tazzygirl -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 4:12:36 AM)

Since I was the only one who used the word "blanket"....

A submissive retains rights on her own. The only rights I retain are the one's I am allowed to retain.

My rights are at his desire, not my own.

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if I ask my slave to (thinking of an example) dance for Me and she says no (and means it) then I no longer have control of her submission and is therefore no reason for me to own her.


Yet, if you ask her to dance, and she says no... do you stop there? Or do you ask her why she says no? Or does it not matter to you?



TNDommeK -> RE: Online only? (7/1/2013 5:21:32 AM)

Well yes I was referring to you with the blanket word. I fast replied but I figured y'all catch it.

Ok, so if he were to say "you retain no rights" then what?

If I asked her to dance and she said no, I would ask if she is hurt or what's wrong that she can't. If there wasn't a suitable enough answer and she was just saying "no" bc she didn't want to, then there is a problem. As a slave she should do as told, otherwise, what is the point of her service and my dominance over her?




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