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-=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within 48 h... - 6/28/2013 4:56:50 PM   
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http://news.msn.com/us/calif-court-lifts-hold-on-same-sex-marriages

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/29/2013 10:45:47 PM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/29/justice/california-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 2:13:55 AM   
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The same sex marriage ban in California was passed by the majority of the people. It was the losers of that vote that went crying to the judge to have the law struck down against the will of the people. Ever since the vote, the majority of Californians are bigots because they disagree with the whining minority of Californians. If you want to talk about sour grapes, there's your sour grapes.

This is all just another shining example of liberals acting like petulant children until they get their way.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 4:28:23 AM   
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Oh bullshit!

The same sex marriage ban in California was passed by the majority of the people. It was the losers of that vote that went crying to the judge to have the law struck down against the will of the people. Ever since the vote, the majority of Californians are bigots because they disagree with the whining minority of Californians. If you want to talk about sour grapes, there's your sour grapes.

This is all just another shining example of liberals acting like petulant children until they get their way.

-SD-


Maybe you're unclear that the courts exist to protect the rights of minority groups. Just because you can get the majority to vote to take away some small groups rights doesn't make it constitutional.

And in this case we're talking about the groups that had their day in court and their defense of this law were best described as laughable and now they're whining over the appellate court lifting the stay on the original trial court's order 3 weeks early. They already lost at every court at every level in both the state of California and the federal system and they aren't going to come up with some novel way of convincing a majority of SCOTUS that they have standing and much less prevail on the constitutional issues.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 5:04:23 AM   
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Oh bullshit!

The same sex marriage ban in California was passed by the majority of the people. It was the losers of that vote that went crying to the judge to have the law struck down against the will of the people. Ever since the vote, the majority of Californians are bigots because they disagree with the whining minority of Californians. If you want to talk about sour grapes, there's your sour grapes.

This is all just another shining example of liberals acting like petulant children until they get their way.

-SD-


As social conservatism becomes progressively more of a minority position you may want to refrain from advertising that the majority should run roughshod over the minority. I mean besides that the founding fathers had a good deal of contempt for that system and set up checks and balances to try and prevent it. It just isn't a good plan for you.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 5:45:57 AM   
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As social conservatism becomes progressively more of a minority position you may want to refrain from advertising that the majority should run roughshod over the minority. I mean besides that the founding fathers had a good deal of contempt for that system and set up checks and balances to try and prevent it. It just isn't a good plan for you.



The FF did have a good deal of contempt for majority rule. The FF had a bit of contempt for a few things. They did try and prevent what we have today. Even they admitted as to one thing, that what was set up was only beneficial to a righteous, moral people. Since we do not have what was originally designed, what does that say about us?


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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 5:53:49 AM   
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As social conservatism becomes progressively more of a minority position you may want to refrain from advertising that the majority should run roughshod over the minority. I mean besides that the founding fathers had a good deal of contempt for that system and set up checks and balances to try and prevent it. It just isn't a good plan for you.



The FF did have a good deal of contempt for majority rule. The FF had a bit of contempt for a few things. They did try and prevent what we have today. Even they admitted as to one thing, that what was set up was only beneficial to a righteous, moral people. Since we do not have what was originally designed, what does that say about us?



It says that we are a progressive people who change with the times and will not be governed by the "rules" set up by one religious sect.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 7:09:14 AM   
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Oh bullshit!

The same sex marriage ban in California was passed by the majority of the people.


The majority of the people in california did not vote.


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It was the losers of that vote that went crying to the judge to have the law struck down against the will of the people.


The will of some of the people does not superceedt he constitution.

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Ever since the vote, the majority of Californians are bigots because they disagree with the whining minority of Californians. If you want to talk about sour grapes, there's your sour grapes.


Perhaps if you were to check what the actual vote count was you would not appear so misinformed.

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This is all just another shining example of liberals acting like petulant children until they get their way.

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No, this is a shining example of a bunch of fuckwits trying to impose the beliefs of their imaginary friend on those who are sane.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 9:19:16 AM   
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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 11:26:28 AM   
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This is all just another shining example of liberals acting like petulant children until they get their way.


Well... it did bring a shining example of something else out of the woodwork, in the form of your post.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 11:58:22 AM   
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However, I can see the complaint. Isnt there a 25 day period to challenge a change?

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 6/30/2013 1:55:05 PM   
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However, I can see the complaint. Isnt there a 25 day period to challenge a change?

The respondents, ie the prop 8 supporters, have 25 days to request a rehearing. However the ruling of no standing has to be over come and SCOTUS found that they would not be damaged in any way by prop 8 being over turned so they would have to prove to the court that there was some tangible harm done to them by that which I cannot see happening.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 12:47:40 AM   
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Oh bullshit!

The same sex marriage ban in California was passed by the majority of the people.


The majority of the people in california did not vote.


Frankly, if people didn't care enough about the issue to vote, it should tell you something.

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It was the losers of that vote that went crying to the judge to have the law struck down against the will of the people.

The will of some of the people does not superceedt he constitution.


There is no Constitutional guarantee that anyone gay or straight can enter into marriage. Period.

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Ever since the vote, the majority of Californians are bigots because they disagree with the whining minority of Californians. If you want to talk about sour grapes, there's your sour grapes.

Perhaps if you were to check what the actual vote count was you would not appear so misinformed.


The vote to define marriage in California as being between a man and a woman passed. I think you are the one who is woefully uninformed if you believe otherwise.

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This is all just another shining example of liberals acting like petulant children until they get their way.

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No, this is a shining example of a bunch of fuckwits trying to impose the beliefs of their imaginary friend on those who are sane.


As opposed to the fuckwits who rallied, raised money to fight the bill before it was voted on, failed to gain enough support to stop the bill from becoming law, then went crying to a judge after they lost? Gays had every opportunity to win that fight, and they almost did. The sad simple truth is that instead of accepting defeat at the voting booth like adults, they decided to enter into a campaign of namecalling and used the courts to force their beliefs on everyone who voted against them.

Since the gay lobby is actually imposing their beliefs on everyone in California, calling everyone who disagrees with them names to try to gain some political validation really just makes my point for for me.

-SD-

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 2:55:06 AM   
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There is no Constitutional guarantee that anyone gay or straight can enter into marriage. Period.

But there is this
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No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So since prop 8 allows some people to marry and not others it violates the 14th Amendment. Just like Virginia violated the 14th in 1967 when SCOTUS ruled in Loving v Virginia.

BTW the reason the prop 8 groups are called bigots is because when called upon to support their claims in a court of law they brought totally disproven crap and hateful nonsense equating homosexuals with pedophiles and zoophiles. And that is not my opinion, it is the opinion of every judge at every level that heard this case and its appeals except the Supreme Court which avoiding issuing an opinion.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 4:14:08 AM   
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However, I can see the complaint. Isnt there a 25 day period to challenge a change?



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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 5:33:37 AM   
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There is no Constitutional guarantee that anyone gay or straight can enter into marriage. Period.


There's a little phrase in a document near and dear to my heart that says:

"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"

If you wish to move someplace where that document doesn't apply, please feel free to do so.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 5:36:18 AM   
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There is no requirement for 25 days. It is often used, but not always, and not in this case.
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However, I can see the complaint. Isnt there a 25 day period to challenge a change?




Is there a law? If yes, then I can see the complaint.

I have no issue with it being overturned, but its a bit hypocritical for people to be yelling about how we have to follow the law... except that one.

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 5:41:02 AM   
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The sad simple truth is that instead of accepting defeat at the voting booth like adults, they decided to enter into a campaign of namecalling and used the courts to force their beliefs on everyone who voted against them.

Do you feel the same way about the 26 states--et al.--who went to court seeking to have the Affordable Care Act overturned?

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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 6:21:02 AM   
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There is no Constitutional guarantee that anyone gay or straight can enter into marriage. Period.

Two thoughts:

(a) The Supreme Court took a different view in its unanimous ruling in Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage: Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival. Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942). See also Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888). To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual, and cannot be infringed by the State.

(b) Wouldn't the Ninth Amendment--The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.--also cover marriage?


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RE: -=Cali leads the pack, same sex marriage OK within ... - 7/3/2013 9:26:31 AM   
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There is no requirement for 25 days. It is often used, but not always, and not in this case.
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However, I can see the complaint. Isnt there a 25 day period to challenge a change?




Is there a law? If yes, then I can see the complaint.

I have no issue with it being overturned, but its a bit hypocritical for people to be yelling about how we have to follow the law... except that one.

There is no law. It is court procedure. The losing party has, I think, 30 days to request a rehearing which are almost never granted. It also takes several weeks for the court to publish its opinion officially and transmit what ever orders result to the lower courts affected.

In this case the California Attorney General requested the appellate court lift the stay it had placed on its own decision on the case. Normally they wait through the formalities but it is not required.

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