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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 4:40:04 PM   
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tsk tsk.... something else you need to learn

I have seen charges dropped within a week... that is speedy... 2 months... not so much.

fucker musta been scared shitless.

Seriously, when you have serious charges pending your attorney will generally tell you to do a clam imitation.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 4:43:07 PM   
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In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest with lethal force.


Simple mistake of fact situations would generally not warrant attempting to elude law enforcement. However, there are some that would, such as:

the person making the arrest never identifying themselves, causing the defendant to believe they are the target of kidnapping or robbery.

the reasonable belief that the person making the arrest is an impersonator with the intent of victimizing the defendant.

the reasonable belief that the defendant would be the victim of police brutality if taken into custody by that individual.[citation needed]

Many courts generally will not condone violence used in resisting an unlawful arrest, or "deadly force," unless it's proven the police began to use violence upon the defendant.

They identified themselves... they attempted to show badges which they didnt bother to look at and they had no reason to believe the girls knew any of the officers or that they would be the target of police brutality.



In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest with lethal force.
If that were texas she could have shot all of them in the fucking head and then drven over their bodies. It is a real shame that virginia does not have a similar statute.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 4:45:10 PM   
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In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest with lethal force.
If that were texas she could have shot all of them in the fucking head and then drven over their bodies. It is a real shame that virginia does not have a similar statute.


Its a shame it didnt happen in Texas.. I agree.. I am sure for far different reasons.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 4:46:32 PM   
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tsk tsk.... something else you need to learn

I have seen charges dropped within a week... that is speedy... 2 months... not so much.

fucker musta been scared shitless.

Seriously, when you have serious charges pending your attorney will generally tell you to do a clam imitation.


Oh yeah.. was interesting to say the least

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 4:49:00 PM   
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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 5:07:30 PM   
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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 5:24:38 PM   
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In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest with lethal force.


Simple mistake of fact situations would generally not warrant attempting to elude law enforcement. However, there are some that would, such as:

the person making the arrest never identifying themselves, causing the defendant to believe they are the target of kidnapping or robbery.

the reasonable belief that the person making the arrest is an impersonator with the intent of victimizing the defendant.

the reasonable belief that the defendant would be the victim of police brutality if taken into custody by that individual.[citation needed]

Many courts generally will not condone violence used in resisting an unlawful arrest, or "deadly force," unless it's proven the police began to use violence upon the defendant.

They identified themselves... they attempted to show badges which they didnt bother to look at and they had no reason to believe the girls knew any of the officers or that they would be the target of police brutality.


I believe this case would fall under "the reasonable belief that the person making the arrest is an impersonator with the intent of victimizing the defendant."

1. It was dark and the badges had very small lettering.

2. Even if the girls were able to read the them, the badges were from a different state.

3. They were dressed in street clothes, jumping on their hood, trying to break out their windows, and one even pulled a gun on the unarmed girls.


So we have "agents" dressed in street clothes, flashing an out of state badge with small print after dark, drawing weapons on unarmed girls, behaving like attacking street thugs. I think that easily qualifies.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 5:25:54 PM   
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In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest with lethal force.


Simple mistake of fact situations would generally not warrant attempting to elude law enforcement. However, there are some that would, such as:

the person making the arrest never identifying themselves, causing the defendant to believe they are the target of kidnapping or robbery.

the reasonable belief that the person making the arrest is an impersonator with the intent of victimizing the defendant.

the reasonable belief that the defendant would be the victim of police brutality if taken into custody by that individual.[citation needed]

Many courts generally will not condone violence used in resisting an unlawful arrest, or "deadly force," unless it's proven the police began to use violence upon the defendant.

They identified themselves... they attempted to show badges which they didnt bother to look at and they had no reason to believe the girls knew any of the officers or that they would be the target of police brutality.


I believe this case would fall under "the reasonable belief that the person making the arrest is an impersonator with the intent of victimizing the defendant."

1. It was dark and the badges had very small lettering.

2. Even if the girls were able to read the them, the badges were from a different state.

3. They were dressed in street clothes, jumping on their hood, trying to break out their windows, and one even pulled a gun on the unarmed girls.


So we have "agents" dressed in street clothes, flashing an out of state badge with small print after dark, drawing weapons on unarmed girls, behaving like attacking street thugs. I think that easily qualifies.

Most is basically correct except it was not an out of state badge.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 5:28:49 PM   
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3. They were dressed in street clothes, jumping on their hood, trying to break out their windows, and one even pulled a gun on the unarmed girls.


Undercover cops are often dressed in street clothes.

The hood part we only have her side.

Breaking out their windows... I saw the girl say that, and then say they were knocking... then banging... then back to knocking... which is it?

Gun... the girl said the gun was pulled... the officers said the gun was made ready, which means from the harness, but not pointed at anyone.

Her story has changed a few times.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 5:33:43 PM   
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3. They were dressed in street clothes, jumping on their hood, trying to break out their windows, and one even pulled a gun on the unarmed girls.


Undercover cops are often dressed in street clothes.

The hood part we only have her side.

Breaking out their windows... I saw the girl say that, and then say they were knocking... then banging... then back to knocking... which is it?

Gun... the girl said the gun was pulled... the officers said the gun was made ready, which means from the harness, but not pointed at anyone.

Her story has changed a few times.

If someone is smacking my window with a nightstick, I call it trying to break it.
Car windows are a bitch to break (unless you have a spark plug on a string) and if someone has a firearm out of the holster, that is by definition, pulled.

ETA. It goes back to Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance and professionalism neither of which happened.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 5:43:38 PM   
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If someone is smacking my window with a nightstick, I call it trying to break it.
Car windows are a bitch to break (unless you have a spark plug on a string) and if someone has a firearm out of the holster, that is by definition, pulled.


Now we have nightsticks?

And, yes, a gun out of its holster is "pulled".. its not pulled "on them".

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 6:06:46 PM   
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And, yes, a gun out of its holster is "pulled".. its not pulled "on them".


Kinda splitting hairs there aren't ya?


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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 6:09:55 PM   
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And, yes, a gun out of its holster is "pulled".. its not pulled "on them".


Kinda splitting hairs there aren't ya?



I dont believe so. Aim a gun at me and Im gonna be pissing myself... pull one from the holster and I will be listening quite intently.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 8:29:54 PM   
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And, yes, a gun out of its holster is "pulled".. its not pulled "on them".


Kinda splitting hairs there aren't ya?



I dont believe so. Aim a gun at me and Im gonna be pissing myself... pull one from the holster and I will be listening quite intently.

so pulling a gun as an extreme intimidation tactic is ok??? it would take only 2 seconds to go from pulling the gun to aiming the gun.. imo doing that means you intend to use it.. what would the cops be saying if they got trigger happy and shot some kids just for buying water.. pulling a gun (even if its not aimed yet) is how shite like that happens.. Really, who trusts cops anymore cuz of stuff like that? At one time people actually respected cops, not anymore..

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 8:38:26 PM   
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Court document

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wvir/documents/DroppedCharges.pdf

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 8:50:14 PM   
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1. Are there any badges with 6" lettering?

2. From what other state?

3. Are there any agents in uniforms?

The whole point is that either several ABC agents in a town full of rich college students, spontaneously and simultaneously decided to commit career suicide over a misdemeanor 12 pack, or something is not complete with this story.






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I believe this case would fall under "the reasonable belief that the person making the arrest is an impersonator with the intent of victimizing the defendant."

1. It was dark and the badges had very small lettering.

2. Even if the girls were able to read the them, the badges were from a different state.

3. They were dressed in street clothes, jumping on their hood, trying to break out their windows, and one even pulled a gun on the unarmed girls.


So we have "agents" dressed in street clothes, flashing an out of state badge with small print after dark, drawing weapons on unarmed girls, behaving like attacking street thugs. I think that easily qualifies.



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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 8:53:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
And, yes, a gun out of its holster is "pulled".. its not pulled "on them".


Kinda splitting hairs there aren't ya?



I dont believe so. Aim a gun at me and Im gonna be pissing myself... pull one from the holster and I will be listening quite intently.

so pulling a gun as an extreme intimidation tactic is ok??? it would take only 2 seconds to go from pulling the gun to aiming the gun.. imo doing that means you intend to use it.. what would the cops be saying if they got trigger happy and shot some kids just for buying water.. pulling a gun (even if its not aimed yet) is how shite like that happens.. Really, who trusts cops anymore cuz of stuff like that? At one time people actually respected cops, not anymore..



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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 9:18:23 PM   
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I dont believe so. Aim a gun at me and Im gonna be pissing myself... pull one from the holster and I will be listening quite intently.

I can go from one to the other in about a half second. Someone who is well trained would be a hell of a lot faster.

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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 9:25:26 PM   
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RE: psycho agents terrify college students - 7/5/2013 10:40:49 PM   
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