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Rawni -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 11:06:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance So I'm mentally ill because I understand the risks of the play I engage in? I have not called you mentally ill! But if you feel mentally ill! Then you need to go to the doctor. You can be a danger to others. You have implied repeatedly that anyone that differs in opinion from you and is cautious is mentally ill.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 11:09:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I have not called you mentally ill! But if you feel mentally ill! Then you need to go to the doctor. You can be a danger to others. So in addition to being clueless about a great many things, you prove to be woefully misinformed as to the nature of mental illness as well. How very incorrectly stereotypical of you [8\|]

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 11:28:26 AM)
I don't think you bother reading what people write before opening up your word hole. Perhaps too impressed by the sound of your own voice regardless of what drivel spews out? Not sure, but you are rapidly becoming offensive with your misinformation and stereotypes regarding those who may deal with mental illness. Until you walk a mile in their shoes, perhaps you should yammer less and listen more.

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 11:40:05 AM)
All right, let's everybody take a deep breath, return to the topic, and stop making other posters the topic. I will take this opportunity to remind people that there is a Hide button.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 11:58:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ARIES83 Ishtar, Do you think having will or not/ having choices or not, having power or being powerless are the biggest factors in what you do? Absolutely. Taking play to that level, it's all about not having choices and being genuinely powerless. That's why I, unlike hrxxx apparently, also don't consider it essential that restraints are inescapable for all play. For me, for most play it's prudent to have safety measures in place. But there is a certain level of play that focusses directly on reenforcing the perception of powerlessness that would be absolutely ruined if I could get out. Not in the least only because I sometimes take pain play to a level where, if I could get out easily and fast, I'd end up punching, kicking, and attaching the Top with whatever was in my reach out of instinctual self-defense.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 12:01:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I tell to her that she shall move, her toes and finger so that blood can flow freely. (Common sens) If you where to try your "common sense" with a girl with circulatory issues -like me- you'd be rushing her to the hospital afterwards. If you genuinely think that telling a girl to wiggle her fingers in bondage that's cutting off her circulation would be sufficient, you're delusional.

hrxxx -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 1:36:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I tell to her that she shall move, her toes and finger so that blood can flow freely. (Common sens) If you where to try your "common sense" with a girl with circulatory issues -like me- you'd be rushing her to the hospital afterwards. If you genuinely think that telling a girl to wiggle her fingers in bondage that's cutting off her circulation would be sufficient, you're delusional. Actually. it works alright, but as I said I use no rope, but straps and chains, and the blood can only stop where the belts are tightening! I have not had a girl with poor circulation yet, so honest, why think of things that have never existed in my play with Bondage.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 2:14:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I tell to her that she shall move, her toes and finger so that blood can flow freely. (Common sens) If you where to try your "common sense" with a girl with circulatory issues -like me- you'd be rushing her to the hospital afterwards. If you genuinely think that telling a girl to wiggle her fingers in bondage that's cutting off her circulation would be sufficient, you're delusional. Actually. it works alright, but as I said I use no rope, but straps and chains, and the blood can only stop where the belts are tightening! I have not had a girl with poor circulation yet, so honest, why think of things that have never existed in my play with Bondage. I'm not talking about rope, I'm talking about using straps and especially chains. Using chains is THE quickest way to unexpectedly cut of circulation, because the links could be absolutely fine in one position, and then slightly shift during the scene and completely cut of circulation. Expecting a girl who is chained up, and potentially in subspace to herself keep track of whether or not the links still allow bloodflow by having her wiggle her fingers is ludicrously dangerous, because there is no real way for her to know, keep track of, or be responsible for something like that. I really hate how quick some people are to jump on certain of your points and extrapolate them out to unnecessary generalizations, but I have to admit that you've more than adequately proven over the last couple of threads that you don't know squat about basic safety. Risk aware play means that you are AWARE of what risks you enter into, and choose to take them anyways. That's not what you're doing though... you're absolutely clueless of the risks you're taking, and choose to take them anyways.

hrxxx -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 2:47:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I tell to her that she shall move, her toes and finger so that blood can flow freely. (Common sens) If you where to try your "common sense" with a girl with circulatory issues -like me- you'd be rushing her to the hospital afterwards. If you genuinely think that telling a girl to wiggle her fingers in bondage that's cutting off her circulation would be sufficient, you're delusional. Actually. it works alright, but as I said I use no rope, but straps and chains, and the blood can only stop where the belts are tightening! I have not had a girl with poor circulation yet, so honest, why think of things that have never existed in my play with Bondage. I'm not talking about rope, I'm talking about using straps and especially chains. Using chains is THE quickest way to unexpectedly cut of circulation, because the links could be absolutely fine in one position, and then slightly shift during the scene and completely cut of circulation. Expecting a girl who is chained up, and potentially in subspace to herself keep track of whether or not the links still allow bloodflow by having her wiggle her fingers is ludicrously dangerous, because there is no real way for her to know, keep track of, or be responsible for something like that. I really hate how quick some people are to jump on certain of your points and extrapolate them out to unnecessary generalizations, but I have to admit that you've more than adequately proven over the last couple of threads that you don't know squat about basic safety. Risk aware play means that you are AWARE of what risks you enter into, and choose to take them anyways. That's not what you're doing though... you're absolutely clueless of the risks you're taking, and choose to take them anyways. I really do not know how you imagine that I use chain, I have belts and chains in all lengths, from 10 cm to 1.5 m, all chains with closing hooks at both ends, if you think you can find something that can open faster, then you can forget it. I do not use rope and! I do not bind with chain! Belts with buckle and closing hooks, you can NOT get anything that is more secure. It takes time to put together all the right lengths of chain, but it takes seconds to separate them.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 2:53:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx Belts with buckle and closing hooks, you can NOT get anything that is more secure. Again, that's absolute nonsense. If it's security you're after, something like this: http://scottpauldesigns.com/cuffs-and-collars/cuffs-with-tear-drop-swivel-eye-4-styles Is far superior to a mere belt and buckle, for starters because it's lockable, secondly because it's steel wrapped to can't be cut, and third because the lining makes accidentally cutting of circulation much harder. For suspension, or having a girl on her toes with hands above the head, something like this: http://scottpauldesigns.com/cuffs-and-collars/suspension-type-leather-cuffs Is far superior to a mere belt and buckle. I'd advice you stop talking out of your ass here pretty soon now, because you're looking more and more ridiculous when doing so.

hrxxx -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 3:26:08 PM)
As I said you can not get something that is more secure, they are called snap hook in English, maybe you understand that. I would not use those handcuffs that you link to, they are made of PVC. I use ONLY genuine leather. I have handmade hanging straps and hanging cuffs. both hands and feet,

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 3:32:34 PM)
So you can't read either? Those cuffs come in a variety of options, among which leather, and PVC for vegans.

hrxxx -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 3:40:33 PM)
I do not usually eat cuffs, so no I do not read about it, and certainly not about PVC

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 3:47:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar So you can't read either? Those cuffs come in a variety of options, among which leather, and PVC for vegans. He clearly hasn't a fucking clue on a number of fronts. And it's not just this thread either. But he blunders through his beliefs that he is the only person that is right and everyone else is wrong. So far, he's been very lucky that nobody has had a serious accident or died. The fact he is beligerant and belittles everyone that doesn't agree with him seems to me that he won't listen. And for that, he is on my iggy list from now. Godd luck to you hr. I am glad that I would never be under your control or guidance. I'm done with him. ETA: Compared to a lot on these boards, I'm a relevant newbie. But even I can see he's talking shite!

petitespot -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 4:04:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ARIES83 When you cage or tie someone up, do you consider what might happen if something were to happen to you? Do you have measures in place for the one in bondage to free themselves? This topic is a tangent from this thread: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4483092 I personally think there are situations where I would have some kind of provision for if I had a heartattack etc... But having a phone on the wall of a slaves cage is probably a bit much for me... I've tied/hung people up and left them so I could go and do other things before... Sure I could of had a stroke or something... But so could I whilst driving them somewhere on the freeway or the like... I've been bound in all kinds of manner and caged. Call me crazy, but there was never a pair of scissors in site or a key. OMFG I'm still alive. If someone was to drop dead while I was bound someone would eventually smell the rotting flesh and find us.

Missokyst -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 4:25:22 PM)
phew.. quote: ORIGINAL: petitespot quote: ORIGINAL: ARIES83 When you cage or tie someone up, do you consider what might happen if something were to happen to you? Do you have measures in place for the one in bondage to free themselves? This topic is a tangent from this thread: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4483092 I personally think there are situations where I would have some kind of provision for if I had a heartattack etc... But having a phone on the wall of a slaves cage is probably a bit much for me... I've tied/hung people up and left them so I could go and do other things before... Sure I could of had a stroke or something... But so could I whilst driving them somewhere on the freeway or the like... I've been bound in all kinds of manner and caged. Call me crazy, but there was never a pair of scissors in site or a key. OMFG I'm still alive. If someone was to drop dead while I was bound someone would eventually smell the rotting flesh and find us.

stef -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 5:06:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 ETA: Compared to a lot on these boards, I'm a relevant newbie. But even I can see he's talking shite! You should take him shooting some time. His imagination can certainly give yours a run for it's money [:D]

angelikaJ -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 5:14:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I tell to her that she shall move, her toes and finger so that blood can flow freely. (Common sens) If you where to try your "common sense" with a girl with circulatory issues -like me- you'd be rushing her to the hospital afterwards. If you genuinely think that telling a girl to wiggle her fingers in bondage that's cutting off her circulation would be sufficient, you're delusional. Actually. it works alright, but as I said I use no rope, but straps and chains, and the blood can only stop where the belts are tightening! I have not had a girl with poor circulation yet, so honest, why think of things that have never existed in my play with Bondage. So, in your logic, because it has never happened in the past, that means it will never occur in the future? [sm=wtf.gif]

OsideGirl -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 5:19:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx I do not usually eat cuffs, so no I do not read about it, You have no clue what a Vegan is, do you?

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Bondage/Confinement Ethics and Preparedness. (7/2/2013 5:50:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hrxxx Actually. it works alright, but as I said I use no rope, but straps and chains, and the blood can only stop where the belts are tightening! I have not had a girl with poor circulation yet, so honest, why think of things that have never existed in my play with Bondage. Ok, mods...Im keeping the TOS in mind about it being about the post, not the poster [:)] Why think of things that haven't existed? Seriously??? Because this stuff DOES exist. Ishtar gave you a prime example with her poor circulation. Just because you haven't experienced it in your many many many years of über domliness does NOT mean you won't. And woe be the poor woman who has to suffer because of this näivete on your part. It's honestly why you remind me of an ostrich...burying your head in the sand and being completely oblivious to what's going on around you.

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