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HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your finest po... - 6/27/2006 1:50:42 PM   
DoctorDubious


Posts: 267
Joined: 6/24/2006
Status: offline 		Hi,

I'm a dominant man,
and a horny old goat
who developed his dominant ways
far from the BDSM culture, 
and I am ignorant in your ways...

... so I am asking for the wisdom
of the Doms and subs here
to share their wisdom with me,
so that we all can learn and grow....

A woman, who wants me to TAKE her,
sent me some pics I had requested,
and they ... to be genteel....
had her in a predicament that did not flatter her body....
But aaaaahhh that "predicament" was delight to MY eyes

The body of the email said only
"Don't giggle too hard"...


could you... gentle readers of this forum
comment and teach me some of your ways...
and if you are not gentle.... I am even more interested in your reply!


Here is my reply to this woman, who wishes to serve me...




Don't giggle too hard.


My Dear....

I will assume for a moment,that that little sentence aboveis meant in a light and playful manner. I love to play and laugh,
and should we ever meet,
we would play and laugh together often. Taken in that light,
I would smile at you and say...
"My dear.... a giggle is a charming thing,
why would you or I deny ourselves such a simple pleasure"? And .... as I did not Own you as my Possession,
it would be left at that.... ***************************************** But you. me dear, long to be Owned by me,
perhaps only for a day... perhaps for a month.... or longer.... So,  imagine for a moment if You were MINE. This is not so,and tragically, given our circumstances and locations,is unlikely ever to be so..... sigh.... I would not tolerate such an impertinent suggestion. WHO ARE YOU
TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO? You would be instantly, and severly punished!That punishment would be symbolic,
in order to maximize your potential to learn from it. And. It. Would. Be. Harsh. My possessions do not tell me what to do,unless I ask their advice, and I do often seek advicefor my brain is a mere 3 pounds in this infinite universe. Also, you appear intelligent and competent, and experienced.It would be foolish to waste your mind.... and I am not a fool. I will ask for your council often,
and given what I know of your wisdom,often would I act as on your advicethat you would humbly... very humbly suggest to me. And there will be respectful, subservient waysfor you to request permission to advise,even when I do not ask for it. I err often,
and a loyal and wise second set of eyesis a most valuable resource. *************************Further,and even more disgusting to methan your mere impertinence,which is easily remedied by instant, severe, and consistant punishment.... ... would be the lack of respect this comment implies about an object that I like. I find that the hardest training,the hardest lessons.... and the longest....come in teaching One that I own and dominate.... that a fine possession is a noble thing,and must be treated with a severeuncompromising, never-wavering  dignity! I expect that you wouldlabor long and hard in my bondage roomsto learn that deeply spiritual lesson. Oceans of sweat and tears and semen and salivawould flow before even the slightest glimmerof dignity could begin to shinethrough the cultural conditioning of shame and scornthat the ignorant, bigoted fools of "normal" societyhave smeared all over your radiant, submissive soul. You are fully clever enough to understand these words above,yet I know that your conditioningstill makes you crave those lesser cheap pleasuresof humiliation, ridicule, scorn, contempt, taunting and sneers. ****************************************Your punishment is this,and I direct your full and fast compliancewith all the resources of your intellect and experience. *** deleted for the dignity of the woman so punished****


**************************

Doctor Dubious


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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 1:58:28 PM   
JessieMe


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Status: offline 		Ok.. for me.. that would be over the top from someone who was still in a simple email back and forth state.. or did I miss some leap in the relationship from the beginning to the end of the email. If the purpose was to educate.. well personally I think you would be educating a submissive right out of wanting to serve you.. unless of course.. she were a true masochist.. in which case.. I think you have a winner....

Excuse the rambling thoughts.. its just me being in a "giggly" mood LOL


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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 1:59:54 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Agreed- your response definitely seems a bit out of perspective on the original email.

But sounds like you have a lovely cyber sexual email banter going, so enjoy.

< Message edited by LuckyAlbatross -- 6/27/2006 2:00:50 PM >

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:02:31 PM   
Caretakr


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Status: offline 		I think I would respect it by not posting personal correspondance in a public forum?

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:09:31 PM   
Proprietrix


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From: Ohio/West Virginia
Status: offline 		I'm not sure I understand.
You chastised her for her comment "don't giggle too hard" ?
Like JessieMe said, that does sound a bit over the top.
Instantly and severly punished harshly for a comment like that, seems a bit excessive to me personally. There are far greater infractions in life than being a bit self-conscious about one's appearance. I would think a more appropriate and esteem-building route to take may be to simply respond "Your body is beautiful to me and I hope you someday will be able to see your own beauty the way I see it."  (Ok, even that is a bit sappy, but the point here is to *build* esteem and *see* beauty, rather than to be chastised and punished for there being a lack of self-confidence.)
If I had received your reply, castigating for that simple sentence, making it out as if it were deliberate backtalk, exaggerating it to the point that you called it impertinent, indignent and disrespectful, I would have thought
"Sheesh. This guy has some issues. I think I'll look elsewhere."


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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:10:45 PM   
DoctorDubious


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JessieMe

Ok.. for me.. that would be over the top from someone who was still in a simple email back and forth state.. or did I miss some leap in the relationship from the beginning to the end of the email. If the purpose was to educate.. well personally I think you would be educating a submissive right out of wanting to serve you.. unless of course.. she were a true masochist.. in which case.. I think you have a winner....

Excuse the rambling thoughts.. its just me being in a "giggly" mood LOL



Thank you JessieMe....

#1. we have corresponded and chatted a lot,
and have a growing, potentially fruitful and juicy relationship,

You are right on  to suggest it would be pretentious
and "over the top" at a first or second meeting.

#2. yup, she's a true masochist!
and double-yup... she is a winner,  she just don't know it yet.

************************

Could you tell me about a different, more cruel approach,
and why some feel that's a better approach. 

I really wanna "get sum larnin..."

An Old Goat...

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:15:18 PM   
DoctorDubious


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

I think I would respect it by not posting personal correspondance in a public forum?


Dear Caretakr...

thanks.... you are 100% right.

I believe there is a zero chance
of any identification of her...
I took great care of that, I asure you!

As for my words, I'm an open book with nothing to hide.

An Old Goat,
PS... if there's something else you could teach me,
I'm all ears.... as you can tell from my pic...  :)

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:19:42 PM   
diamonddreamlove


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Status: offline 		Wow Sir,  Glad i am not that submissive/slave for Your words would have crushed me and i would have not been available again to You ever.  When my favorite Dom corrects me for something such as a misplaced giggle over a part of my body i might not think is good enough to offer to Him, He atleast assures me that He does not appreciate my doubting His good taste and then of course a wonderful punishment requiring appropriate comments follows but then as You stated You are new to our ways.  The flip side is perhaps the sub/slave has enough ego strength to rebound from such chastisement or perhaps she actually enjoyed it.  I am only stating how i would react to such treatment.  Good luck to B/both of Y/you.

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:22:45 PM   
Caretakr


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Status: offline 		I guess that twelve years of dealing with submissives and slaves in real life situations, have totally ruined me for this kind of behavior.

But as you will.

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:22:58 PM   
DoctorDubious


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Agreed- your response definitely seems a bit out of perspective on the original email.

But sounds like you have a lovely cyber sexual email banter going, so enjoy.


Dear Lucky,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

.... as for sexual email banter, I have zero interest in it, actually.
Reality is just so much jucier...  :0

I am only here on collarme because I'm new to Los Angeles,
the custom work & furniture for my bondage room are almost complete,
and I'm looking for a woman to explore dominance and submission with.

DoctorDubious
PS.... you got any other ideas that could educate this old goat?

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:25:26 PM   
NastyDaddy


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Status: offline 		Let's don't lead this guy on here and tell him what his message really says......

To me it seems like her reply was in perspective to the picture of her unflatteringly posed bottom... you silly Doctor D.

I don't think she was attempting to boss you around, usurp your role authority, Top you from the bottom or order dinner.

It looks to me like you drank more and more as you wrote, or somehow went from silver tongue to fire snorting dragon over one of the silliest little things imagineable... don't laugh too hard at my ass.

Just look at all that energy and zeal you blew on this draft... uhh it is a draft correct?  If you sent this you fucked yourself actually by demonstrating you are an accident waiting for a place to happen... if you lost your mind over don't laugh at my ass, there's no telling what the hell would set you off next.  Subs/slaves need to have faith in their Dominant's ability to control themselves as a prerequisite for controlling someone else.
I'd recommend you send only the first eleven lines... perhaps along with a picture of your ass, or your paddle.    


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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:42:19 PM   
txpet


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Joined: 4/29/2006
Status: offline 		::responds quietly as i am sure to be unpopular with what i say here::

i am a masochist and i do like humiliation and being put in my place ... i feel that Your letter was a bit too long ... despite what others have said, what would have hit me the hardest and made me stop to listen to You and try to please You the most would have been if Your entire response to "don't giggle" was a short and simple "Who are you to tell me what to do?"
Ahhh, yes, that would have had me begging to see what i could do to make things right.
The lengths to which You went, would make me feel in charge as those in complete control do not ramble ... but that is just how i view things.

i used to make self-depracating remark and Master found the only way to really get me to stop was when He turned to me and said "Cut that shit out. I am not going to spend all day reassuring you." Which was when i was making a demand on Him with my behavior. i respond best to the harsher things ... i do not do subtle.

i wish You the best of luck.

Whatever works between the two people involved is what is "right".

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txpet jennie

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:43:25 PM   
DoctorDubious


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

I'm not sure I understand.
You chastised her for her comment "don't giggle too hard" ?
Like JessieMe said, that does sound a bit over the top.
Instantly and severly punished harshly for a comment like that, seems a bit excessive to me personally. There are far greater infractions in life than being a bit self-conscious about one's appearance. I would think a more appropriate and esteem-building route to take may be to simply respond "Your body is beautiful to me and I hope you someday will be able to see your own beauty the way I see it."  (Ok, even that is a bit sappy, but the point here is to *build* esteem and *see* beauty, rather than to be chastised and punished for there being a lack of self-confidence.)
If I had received your reply, castigating for that simple sentence, making it out as if it were deliberate backtalk, exaggerating it to the point that you called it impertinent, indignent and disrespectful, I would have thought
"Sheesh. This guy has some issues. I think I'll look elsewhere."



Dear Proprietrix,  (terriffic name, by the way)

Thanks for replying.... I appreciate your thoughts.

Now, I did say that if we were not
in a fully dominant/submissive relationship
we would laugh it off. 

I was very clear about that,
and the point you make is totally correct.

Long ago, I was a clinically trained, and well-experienced psychologist.

If just telling folks....
"Your body is beautiful to me and I hope you someday will be able to see your own beauty the way I see it." 

... all those pretenders and quacks who practice the cheaper forms of therapy
would be out of business instantly.

I read your profile,
and it shows experience, insight, and a solid grasp
on the dynamics of power and control that we experience here.

Do you really think that merely telling somebody "your body is beautiful.. etc"
will make much difference after years and decades of self-loathing?
Even if you said it 10,000 times, I suggest it's effect will be superficial.

Look... whether she is ever MINE or not...
I don't want to put a little verbal bandaid on her lack of self-respect,
I want her to touch ... deeply... her divinity, and live in complete nobiity,
without a shred of doubt, or fear, or shame.

Once again,
I thank you for your reply,
I appreciate it,
and I will consider it carefully,
just as I will for anyone else who helps me...
'cause I really am here to learn from you

An Old Goat With Lots To Learn

PS..... I see people all thru the day, as I am a businessman.
I am constantly shocked at all the little daggers
people thrust into their own hearts and minds,
little daggers of self-criticism, self-abuse, self-contempt.

I really do seek to stop THOSE daggers,
not in everyone... that's impossible...
but I can do it with a woman who submits completely to me.

It ain't braggin if you've done it, ya know...

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:49:35 PM   
enigmabrat


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Status: offline 		Honestly I think she was just beeing shy and scared about nyour reaction to her body its normal and something I do say often when share photos for the first time to sort of make things lugher the fact that you would punish her harshly for such a comment well thats just mean spirited and takeing hings at the begigning to far in my opinion that is

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 2:53:13 PM   
DoctorDubious


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

Let's don't lead this guy on here and tell him what his message really says......

To me it seems like her reply was in perspective to the picture of her unflatteringly posed bottom... you silly Doctor D.

I don't think she was attempting to boss you around, usurp your role authority, Top you from the bottom or order dinner.

It looks to me like you drank more and more as you wrote, or somehow went from silver tongue to fire snorting dragon over one of the silliest little things imagineable... don't laugh too hard at my ass.

Just look at all that energy and zeal you blew on this draft... uhh it is a draft correct?  If you sent this you fucked yourself actually by demonstrating you are an accident waiting for a place to happen... if you lost your mind over don't laugh at my ass, there's no telling what the hell would set you off next.  Subs/slaves need to have faith in their Dominant's ability to control themselves as a prerequisite for controlling someone else.
I'd recommend you send only the first eleven lines... perhaps along with a picture of your ass, or your paddle.    





Hey... thanks Nasty...

I can tell you gotta great sense of humor...
... but ain't nobody here gettin a pic of my ass...


Not only do i appeciate it,
but having you advise folks "not to lead this guy on"
is well-said.

I don't want to be lead on by anybody.

And yes, I am often over-zealous
in rooting out self-doubt, and self-criticsim,
no matter how small, or how subtle it is...

You see, I think the small daggers of disrespect
people thrust into themselves on a daily basis
are the biggest cause of unhappiness there is on this old, dusty planet.

An Old Goat, who listens.... G-D knows he's got lots to learn...

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 3:01:11 PM   
enigmabrat


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

Let's don't lead this guy on here and tell him what his message really says......

To me it seems like her reply was in perspective to the picture of her unflatteringly posed bottom... you silly Doctor D.

I don't think she was attempting to boss you around, usurp your role authority, Top you from the bottom or order dinner.

It looks to me like you drank more and more as you wrote, or somehow went from silver tongue to fire snorting dragon over one of the silliest little things imagineable... don't laugh too hard at my ass.

Just look at all that energy and zeal you blew on this draft... uhh it is a draft correct?  If you sent this you fucked yourself actually by demonstrating you are an accident waiting for a place to happen... if you lost your mind over don't laugh at my ass, there's no telling what the hell would set you off next.  Subs/slaves need to have faith in their Dominant's ability to control themselves as a prerequisite for controlling someone else.
I'd recommend you send only the first eleven lines... perhaps along with a picture of your ass, or your paddle.    





You have infinite wisdome Nasty that was very well put

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 3:02:03 PM   
CrappyDom


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quote:

Do you really think that merely telling somebody "your body is beautiful.. etc"
will make much difference after years and decades of self-loathing? 


Quite simply...yes.

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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 3:07:26 PM   
txpet


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Status: offline 		i must respectfully disagree with You as i know for a fact that someone can tell me how beautiful i am or attractive or sexy, ad nauseum and i will never believe it.
The only thing that ever makes me feel like i am beautiful or attractive or sexy is being stripped and thrown down and fucked hard.
Otherwise, the words make me uncomfortable as i do not believe them and i feel as if the Person saying them is simply trying to cater to me ... which then also makes me feel a little guilty.


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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 3:08:27 PM   
JessieMe


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Status: offline 		Does anyone else here get the idea that he isnt REALLY here to learn anything.. each time he posts... all he is doing is justifying that he was right in his post...

Oh well.. today seems to be the day for these postings..

Is there a full moon tonight??

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And this is all I know.
That I must choose to live for all that I can give
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RE: HELP! What do you do when the disrespect your fines... - 6/27/2006 3:10:15 PM   
diamonddreamlove


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Status: offline 		Thank You CrappyDom so little said and so much meaning. 

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