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tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 2:45:33 PM)
quote: And all you have to do is keep your eyes closed and pretend that the link proving you wrong, simply doesn't exist... Hahahaha... why didnt you post the whole exchange? I can tell you why... because it proves you wrong. quote: He shot in the chest with the bullet entering his heart. he would have bled profusely and the last few pumps of the heart would have sprayed that blood out the wound. Anyway the autopsy says he wasn't shot at point blank range so Zimmerman is lying. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf The PDF is the clue.... Then we have... quote: Those facts and the autopsy report establish it pretty conclusively. He shot Martin from several feet away. There are many forensic experts who were asked what "intermediate distance" meant. And they could not come up with a conclusive answer. It ranged from just a few inches to 3 feet. And you still havent proven anyone claimed T was shot from "8 feet away"... But do keep looking. And lest proof of the experts be required.... http://www.examiner.com/article/autopsy-report-reveals-trayvon-martin-was-shot-at-intermediate-range

mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 2:47:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Then you should have no trouble proving that it is asswipery to assert that someone here on CM had claimed that Martin was shot from several feet away. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4480742 quote: Those facts and the autopsy report establish it pretty conclusively. He shot Martin from several feet away. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Unsubstantiated and imbecilic asswipe needs no homework, it can be dismissed and derided out of hand. No claim of 8 feet away. That was the asswipery. So, that is mincing pretty cheesily the asswipe. So anyone who still wants to claim that Martin was shot from above, or from 8 feet away, etc. is certainly welcome to do so. ^^^^^the statement originally not at issue, but then spun with asswipery. I remember saying the same thing last year to much vehement disagreement. :) ^^^^^note the post, and what I said. I dont remember any of that at all, who made those claims of 8 feet away or from above?

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 2:52:22 PM)
Everyone on the planet lies. People who lie are allowed to defend themselves. People who are wanna-bes are allowed to defend themselves. And in court, they get the same presumption of innocence as anyone. Again, if the prosecution had anything that is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman lied about the specific self defense issue of Martin grabbing the gun, the time for them to present it has passed. If you have such proof, the time for you to get it to the prosecution was months ago. . quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 you have admitted it is possible he lied about grabbing the gun, which means its possible he lied about other things also.. it has been proven in court that lied about not having knowledge of SYG, it was proven in court he took a class on SYG & knew the elements needed for that defense in court.. that he lied is a proven fact.. quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I haven't admitted anything, I've speculated on 2 possible sets of circumstances. Nowhere in the entire history of this issue have I ever said, or even hinted at anything else. Do you have anything at all factual related to this case? quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 At this juncture it seems equally likely that Zimmerman is essentially telling the truth, or that Zimmerman is telling the truth up until the point he panicked, pulled the trigger, and made up the story about Martin going for the gun. so you admit he made up the story about Martin going for the gun.. so why should anyone believe Zimmy's story about it beng Martin that started the fight in the first place? You see, when someone has been proven to be lying, other parts of his version also are very likely lies.. after all, he knew the law & what kinda story he needed to tell to cover his ass with the cops..

Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 2:52:33 PM)
Psst, Powergamz, apparently the concept of hyperbole is beyond some people. ;)

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 2:54:48 PM)
Whether you choose to remember the link I posted is irrelevant asswipe, to borrow your own phrase. When you can prove it was never said, be sure to let us know. When you can prove that '8' and 'several' are mutually exclusive, let Webster know. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Then you should have no trouble proving that it is asswipery to assert that someone here on CM had claimed that Martin was shot from several feet away. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4480742 quote: Those facts and the autopsy report establish it pretty conclusively. He shot Martin from several feet away. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Unsubstantiated and imbecilic asswipe needs no homework, it can be dismissed and derided out of hand. No claim of 8 feet away. That was the asswipery. So, that is mincing pretty cheesily the asswipe. So anyone who still wants to claim that Martin was shot from above, or from 8 feet away, etc. is certainly welcome to do so. ^^^^^the statement originally not at issue, but then spun with asswipery. I remember saying the same thing last year to much vehement disagreement. :) ^^^^^note the post, and what I said. I dont remember any of that at all, who made those claims of 8 feet away or from above?

mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 2:55:46 PM)
when you can prove it was said, then we will quit laughing at the buffoonery.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:00:56 PM)
I claimed that the MD was correct when he said that the shot was from a few inches away... nothing in your rantings has proven that wrong. Nothing has proven the claim that the shot was from 'several feet' away is right. No amount on internet game playing is going to change those simple facts. . quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: And all you have to do is keep your eyes closed and pretend that the link proving you wrong, simply doesn't exist... Hahahaha... why didnt you post the whole exchange? I can tell you why... because it proves you wrong. quote: He shot in the chest with the bullet entering his heart. he would have bled profusely and the last few pumps of the heart would have sprayed that blood out the wound. Anyway the autopsy says he wasn't shot at point blank range so Zimmerman is lying. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf The PDF is the clue.... Then we have... quote: Those facts and the autopsy report establish it pretty conclusively. He shot Martin from several feet away. There are many forensic experts who were asked what "intermediate distance" meant. And they could not come up with a conclusive answer. It ranged from just a few inches to 3 feet. And you still havent proven anyone claimed T was shot from "8 feet away"... But do keep looking. And lest proof of the experts be required.... http://www.examiner.com/article/autopsy-report-reveals-trayvon-martin-was-shot-at-intermediate-range

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:04:01 PM)
How would you suggest that I prove it was said, other than the direct link and direct quote that I provided? Because right now, all you've proven is that you can close your eyes and play the 'Laaaalaaalaa Can't see the link... Eight isn't several' game with the best of them. Do you have anything factual and relevant to this thread? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when you can prove it was said, then we will quit laughing at the buffoonery.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:30:34 PM)
quote: So anyone who still wants to claim that Martin was shot from above, or from 8 feet away, etc. is certainly welcome to do so. Still waiting on the "8 feet away".

tj444 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:31:05 PM)
Someone that lies (and it has been proven he lied) means people are not going to believe his story and imo thats one reason why people like me think he is guilty (& my opinion on that wont change if he gets off).. Guilty people can game the system and get away with murder (as did OJ imo).. The problem with this case, imo, is that right from the start, the cops screwed up, especially Serino, the patholgist & ME screwed up, & the prosecutors have done a piss-poor job with this case.. I have said before I think Zimmy will get off (especially since O'Mara isnt a run-of-the-mill over-worked public defender), I would be surprised if he was convicted.. but that does not make him innocent in the least.. it just means.. the fn punk got away with it.. quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Everyone on the planet lies. People who lie are allowed to defend themselves. People who are wanna-bes are allowed to defend themselves. And in court, they get the same presumption of innocence as anyone. Again, if the prosecution had anything that is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman lied about the specific self defense issue of Martin grabbing the gun, the time for them to present it has passed. If you have such proof, the time for you to get it to the prosecution was months ago. . quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 you have admitted it is possible he lied about grabbing the gun, which means its possible he lied about other things also.. it has been proven in court that lied about not having knowledge of SYG, it was proven in court he took a class on SYG & knew the elements needed for that defense in court.. that he lied is a proven fact.. quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 I haven't admitted anything, I've speculated on 2 possible sets of circumstances. Nowhere in the entire history of this issue have I ever said, or even hinted at anything else. Do you have anything at all factual related to this case? quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 At this juncture it seems equally likely that Zimmerman is essentially telling the truth, or that Zimmerman is telling the truth up until the point he panicked, pulled the trigger, and made up the story about Martin going for the gun. so you admit he made up the story about Martin going for the gun.. so why should anyone believe Zimmy's story about it beng Martin that started the fight in the first place? You see, when someone has been proven to be lying, other parts of his version also are very likely lies.. after all, he knew the law & what kinda story he needed to tell to cover his ass with the cops..

Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:34:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 How would you suggest that I prove it was said, other than the direct link and direct quote that I provided? Because right now, all you've proven is that you can close your eyes and play the 'Laaaalaaalaa Can't see the link... Eight isn't several' game with the best of them. Do you have anything factual and relevant to this thread? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when you can prove it was said, then we will quit laughing at the buffoonery. If I were you, I would just accept that most reasonable people understood '8 feet' was just your snarky way of saying 'several feet' and quit letting anyone who doesn't get it waste your time.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:37:43 PM)
Sorry, the myth that the cops screwed up was debunked months ago... they did everything by the book that night, getting every bit of evidence, taking Zimmerman in, and trying to have charges filed. Don't take the media hype as the facts of this case, one by one, they've all been proven to be sensationalized fabrications. Take what has been admitted into evidence, and the law as applied. Then factor in American juries, and disregard all of the above.[:D] ETA: It can't be had both ways... if we want a legal system that allows innocent people to go free, then we have to have guilty people game it. quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Someone that lies (and it has been proven he lied) means people are not going to believe his story and imo thats one reason why people like me think he is guilty (& my opinion on that wont change if he gets off).. Guilty people can game the system and get away with murder (as did OJ imo).. The problem with this case, imo, is that right from the start, the cops screwed up, especially Serino, the patholgist & ME screwed up, & the prosecutors have done a piss-poor job with this case.. I have said before I think Zimmy will get off (especially since O'Mara isnt a run-of-the-mill over-worked public defender), I would be surprised if he was convicted.. but that does not make him innocent in the least.. it just means.. the fn punk got away with it..

mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:40:18 PM)
Yeah, there is a great commerce in hyperbole here, using words like fact, the law says, when all of it is pure horseshit.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:40:31 PM)
Yeah, time is going to be better spent watching the trial draw to a close in the real world. quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 How would you suggest that I prove it was said, other than the direct link and direct quote that I provided? Because right now, all you've proven is that you can close your eyes and play the 'Laaaalaaalaa Can't see the link... Eight isn't several' game with the best of them. Do you have anything factual and relevant to this thread? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail when you can prove it was said, then we will quit laughing at the buffoonery. If I were you, I would just accept that most reasonable people understood '8 feet' was just your snarky way of saying 'several feet' and quit letting anyone who doesn't get it waste your time.

tj444 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:43:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Sorry, the myth that the cops screwed up was debunked months ago... they did everything by the book that night, getting every bit of evidence, taking Zimmerman in, and trying to have charges filed. I watched the police interviews of Zimmy & Zimmy's video and imo yes the cops screwed up.. and yes, the pathologist and ME screwed up also.. again, that i base on the evidence in the trial where they didnt do things they should have, etc.. it is not based on "media hype".. and my opinion on that wont change either, regardless of if the fn punk gets away with it or not..

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:49:56 PM)
What specific things did they not do that the Constitution allows? quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Sorry, the myth that the cops screwed up was debunked months ago... they did everything by the book that night, getting every bit of evidence, taking Zimmerman in, and trying to have charges filed. I watched the police interviews of Zimmy & Zimmy's video and imo yes the cops screwed up.. and yes, the pathologist and ME screwed up also.. again, that i base on the evidence in the trial where they didnt do things they should have, etc.. it is not based on "media hype".. and my opinion on that wont change either, regardless of if the fn punk gets away with it or not..

deathtothepixies -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 3:58:46 PM)
" time is going to be better spent watching the trial draw to a close in the real world. " if only that were the case I am imagining at least another 3000 repetitive, asinine posts from the usual suspects who are not in possession of all the facts yet seem to think that they are the sole arbiter of this case

farglebargle -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 4:06:24 PM)
Man, watching the cross of the Video Game Expert was painful. "How much actual testimony and evidence did you use to create this fictional cartoon?" "Uh, Testimony? What's that?" "Actual in court testimony." "I wasn't paid to watch the trial...." "So, you didn't use any actual court testimony to create this?" "Uh.... I don't understand...."

Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 4:12:46 PM)
The jury will still get to see the animation.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/9/2013 4:20:15 PM)
I would hope that even this DA wasn't stupid enough to pretend that they don't know exactly what those animations are, and that they are used by prosecutors whenever it suits their needs. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Man, watching the cross of the Video Game Expert was painful. "How much actual testimony and evidence did you use to create this fictional cartoon?" "Uh, Testimony? What's that?" "Actual in court testimony." "I wasn't paid to watch the trial...." "So, you didn't use any actual court testimony to create this?" "Uh.... I don't understand...."

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