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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 1:51:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Public sidewalk. You want to head one direction. I'm entitled to go the same direction. I'm not entitled, perhaps to get in your face and yell at you - but there is no evidence that zimmerman did. Yet even if he had done so, its irrelevent. Martin is then not entitled to escalate to physical violence.


And we have absolutely no evidence that Martin escalated to physical violence. It is also Martins entitlement to say what the fuck are you doing?

Clearly, anyone who has actually been in a fight before knows that it is murder since it wasn't a contact shot, if it happened as Zimmerman claims, so it cant be as Zimmerman claims.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 1:58:39 PM   
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If a hoodie and an iced tea makes for threatening, that flashlight is certainly a fuckin club.



That's the best crack of day. I'm wondering if there is still a lot post reporting that will lead to another locked thread. One poster here seriously needs to put a shirt on. He's not reminding anyone of Gary Player.....

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 1:59:14 PM   
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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:00:01 PM   
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What I want is a straightforward answer to the question. How does Martin calling a brown skinned man the N word, make Zimmerman the racist here?


It doesn't. But then I never claimed that it did. I am questioning Zimmerman's motivations in presuming Trayvon was up to no good in the first place.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:03:08 PM   
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What I want is a straightforward answer to the question. How does Martin calling a brown skinned man the N word, make Zimmerman the racist here?


It doesn't. But then I never claimed that it did. I am questioning Zimmerman's motivations in presuming Trayvon was up to no good in the first place.


George explained that extensively to police, and two employees of the Sanford Police testified that his call to NEN was reasonable.

George also mentioned Trayvon 'looked like he was on drugs or something', and the State's own medical examiner said in proffered testimony that Trayvon was likely impaired.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:06:25 PM   
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So your whole argument is based on white guilt Google "white guilt"


No, my argument is based upon the reality of more than four hundred years of racial oppression. My argument is based upon the reality that people judge each other based upon looks and that white people are more likely to be judged favorably.

Which has no bearing on this case

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:15:20 PM   
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Yeah, if you're cutting across someone's grass, in the rain, at night and someone asks you what you're doing - sign me up for one of those that think a polite explanation is in fact called for.

White, brown, yellow or green, I don't care what color you are. What is disgusting is that you don't think a polite explanation *is* called for.


Been in that situation at least 3 times and I always got a polite explanation.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:16:13 PM   
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Public sidewalk. You want to head one direction. I'm entitled to go the same direction. I'm not entitled, perhaps to get in your face and yell at you - but there is no evidence that zimmerman did. Yet even if he had done so, its irrelevent. Martin is then not entitled to escalate to physical violence.


And we have absolutely no evidence that Martin escalated to physical violence. It is also Martins entitlement to say what the fuck are you doing?

Clearly, anyone who has actually been in a fight before knows that it is murder since it wasn't a contact shot, if it happened as Zimmerman claims, so it cant be as Zimmerman claims.



Clearly, you don't know what you are talking about, since there is evidence that the shot occured at short range, and at an angle indicating martin was on top of zimmerman.

Certainly there is evidence that Martin escalated to violence. conclusive evidence - no. But thats not the legal standard here. Reasonable doubt goes to the defendent - zimmerman.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:16:41 PM   
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Why does anyone have to be polite? I can say.. "fuck off asshole".. all day long. I dont have to answer anyone's questions, even from the police. What makes anyone think Z deserved any more?

Because a polite response helps avoid a violent outcome.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:22:42 PM   
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Why does anyone have to be polite? I can say.. "fuck off asshole".. all day long. I dont have to answer anyone's questions, even from the police. What makes anyone think Z deserved any more?

Because a polite response helps avoid a violent outcome.

I answer politely because I'm a polite person.
Has zip to do with the other party, it's all an inside job

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:26:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why is this such a big deal? Two guys got into it , one had a gun, now one is dead. That happens, don't see what is so unusual about all this. Oh Tazzygirl, yes you can say "fuck-off asshole" all day, but this world is full of many different people with many different problems. Ever hear about the straw that broke the camels back? Do you want to be that straw to someone's mental state, just 'cause you can ? and i'm sure you feel so superior when you talk like that.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:41:48 PM   
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Why does anyone have to be polite? I can say.. "fuck off asshole".. all day long. I dont have to answer anyone's questions, even from the police. What makes anyone think Z deserved any more?

Because a polite response helps avoid a violent outcome.

I answer politely because I'm a polite person.
Has zip to do with the other party, it's all an inside job

Her question was what practical reason is there for being polite. You are anyway so you don't need a practical reason.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:47:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The physical factors leading to the call were described to the dispatcher that night, race was not one of them, and they were supported by the tox screen results.

And yes, you quite certainly attached the stigma of a racist to Zimmerman, and Zimmerman alone, in contradiction to all available facts.

What you haven't done is back it up with anything rational.



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What I want is a straightforward answer to the question. How does Martin calling a brown skinned man the N word, make Zimmerman the racist here?


It doesn't. But then I never claimed that it did. I am questioning Zimmerman's motivations in presuming Trayvon was up to no good in the first place.



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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:55:17 PM   
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/10/19395261-defense-rests-in-zimmerman-trial-zimmerman-doesnt-take-the-stand?lite

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Zimmerman told the judge on Wednesday he did not want to testify on his own behalf before the defense rested.

The defense rested after briefly hearing testimony from Robert Zimmerman, George Zimmerman’s father, and Olivia Bertalan, a resident at the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community



So.. the defense will have their closing in which the animated re-enactment will be shown to the jury, but evidence of Martin's fighting experience will not. (unless they rush through a motion).

The prosecution will also get a chance to summarize their case.

And then it goes into the blender of the American jury system.


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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 2:59:53 PM   
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Public sidewalk. You want to head one direction. I'm entitled to go the same direction. I'm not entitled, perhaps to get in your face and yell at you - but there is no evidence that zimmerman did. Yet even if he had done so, its irrelevent. Martin is then not entitled to escalate to physical violence.


And we have absolutely no evidence that Martin escalated to physical violence. It is also Martins entitlement to say what the fuck are you doing?

Clearly, anyone who has actually been in a fight before knows that it is murder since it wasn't a contact shot, if it happened as Zimmerman claims, so it cant be as Zimmerman claims.



Clearly, you don't know what you are talking about, since there is evidence that the shot occured at short range, and at an angle indicating martin was on top of zimmerman.

Certainly there is evidence that Martin escalated to violence. conclusive evidence - no. But thats not the legal standard here. Reasonable doubt goes to the defendent - zimmerman.


Clearly, your horseshit notwithstanding, your imbecilic cants leave much to reconcile with reality.

The shot occurred at shortrange, but not contact. Waltz me thru how that happens given Zimmermans affadavit to the cops. How could it be at that angle upward and at least 3-4" off the body?

He was in no trouble whatsoever if that gun was not punched into the body. He certainly was not overpowered or struggling in any way. Here, I will lay on you with you on your back, start punching you, you reach behind you in your waistband and pull a gun out, (one handed is your only option) swing it out with your arm relaxed and your triceps to elbow flat on the ground so that you can have three inches and brush it on my shirt, while I am smashing your head like a pumpkin repeatedly (with minor injuries) or raining blows on you, and me not fucking noticing and struggling for that gun with both my hands.

ASSWIPE!!!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! LIES!!! PURE FUCKING HALLUCINATION!!!!!


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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:02:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		So.. the defense will have their closing in which the animated re-enactment will be shown to the jury, but evidence of Martin's fighting experience will not. (unless they rush through a motion).

My understanding from all media is the reinactment (the cartoon shit) which is simply frivolous asswipe is not going to be allowed.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:08:42 PM   
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The judge says the animation can't be introduced as evidence that can be reviewed by jurors during their deliberations but defense attorneys may be able to use it during closing arguments as a demonstrative exhibit.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57593035-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-defense-cant-introduce-animation-of-fight-as-evidence-judge-rules/


So the judge is a liar, just like the coroner?

Keep on trucking.
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So.. the defense will have their closing in which the animated re-enactment will be shown to the jury, but evidence of Martin's fighting experience will not. (unless they rush through a motion).

My understanding from all media is the reinactment (the cartoon shit) which is simply frivolous asswipe is not going to be allowed.



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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:14:04 PM   
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So the judge is a liar, just like the coroner?

Keep on trucking.
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So.. the defense will have their closing in which the animated re-enactment will be shown to the jury, but evidence of Martin's fighting experience will not. (unless they rush through a motion).

My understanding from all media is the reinactment (the cartoon shit) which is simply frivolous asswipe is not going to be allowed.





http://www.clickorlando.com/news/judge-to-determine-if-computer-reenactment-will-be-in-george-zimmermans-trial/-/1637132/20895892/-/13j9qr9/-/index.html

What you got? Lying fucking media in Florida lying fucking judges in Florida, or what?

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:14:05 PM   
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Public sidewalk. You want to head one direction. I'm entitled to go the same direction. I'm not entitled, perhaps to get in your face and yell at you - but there is no evidence that zimmerman did. Yet even if he had done so, its irrelevent. Martin is then not entitled to escalate to physical violence.


And we have absolutely no evidence that Martin escalated to physical violence. It is also Martins entitlement to say what the fuck are you doing?

Clearly, anyone who has actually been in a fight before knows that it is murder since it wasn't a contact shot, if it happened as Zimmerman claims, so it cant be as Zimmerman claims.



Clearly, you don't know what you are talking about, since there is evidence that the shot occured at short range, and at an angle indicating martin was on top of zimmerman.

Certainly there is evidence that Martin escalated to violence. What evidence, other than Zimmerman's heavily biased claim? There is actually more and better evidence that it was Zimmerman that escalated to violence. Of course the Zimmerman crowd don't want to accept that evidence because it puts poor Georgie in a deservedly bad light. conclusive evidence - no. But thats not the legal standard here. Reasonable doubt goes to the defendent - zimmerman. The only "reasonable" doubt is in Zimmerman's version...actually multiple versions...of what happened. After he "adjusted" his story a number of times he actually got it to line up, somewhat, with the evidence, but he was all over the map before that.



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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:16:12 PM   
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Why does anyone have to be polite? I can say.. "fuck off asshole".. all day long. I dont have to answer anyone's questions, even from the police. What makes anyone think Z deserved any more?

Because a polite response helps avoid a violent outcome.


Exactly! So if Zimmerman had given Martin a polite response to the question of, "Why are you following me?" things would most likely have turned out without Z committing murder.

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