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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:20:51 PM   
Powergamz1


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So the judge is a liar, just like the coroner?

Keep on trucking.
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So.. the defense will have their closing in which the animated re-enactment will be shown to the jury, but evidence of Martin's fighting experience will not. (unless they rush through a motion).

My understanding from all media is the reinactment (the cartoon shit) which is simply frivolous asswipe is not going to be allowed.





http://www.clickorlando.com/news/judge-to-determine-if-computer-reenactment-will-be-in-george-zimmermans-trial/-/1637132/20895892/-/13j9qr9/-/index.html

What you got? Lying fucking media in Florida lying fucking judges in Florida, or what?



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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:23:09 PM   
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/10/19395261-defense-rests-in-zimmerman-trial-zimmerman-doesnt-take-the-stand?lite

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Zimmerman told the judge on Wednesday he did not want to testify on his own behalf before the defense rested.

The defense rested after briefly hearing testimony from Robert Zimmerman, George Zimmerman’s father, and Olivia Bertalan, a resident at the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community



So.. the defense will have their closing in which the animated re-enactment will be shown to the jury, but evidence of Martin's fighting experience will not. (unless they rush through a motion).

The prosecution will also get a chance to summarize their case.

And then it goes into the blender of the American jury system.




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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:28:02 PM   
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George also mentioned Trayvon 'looked like he was on drugs or something', and the State's own medical examiner said in proffered testimony that Trayvon was likely impaired.

So not only did the pussy get his arse kicked, he had the shit beat out of him by somebody who was wasted on drugs?

Small wonder the wuss carries a gun if he's that much of a wimp...

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 3:47:45 PM   
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Public sidewalk. You want to head one direction. I'm entitled to go the same direction. I'm not entitled, perhaps to get in your face and yell at you - but there is no evidence that zimmerman did. Yet even if he had done so, its irrelevent. Martin is then not entitled to escalate to physical violence.


And we have absolutely no evidence that Martin escalated to physical violence. It is also Martins entitlement to say what the fuck are you doing?

Clearly, anyone who has actually been in a fight before knows that it is murder since it wasn't a contact shot, if it happened as Zimmerman claims, so it cant be as Zimmerman claims.



Clearly, you don't know what you are talking about, since there is evidence that the shot occured at short range, and at an angle indicating martin was on top of zimmerman.

Certainly there is evidence that Martin escalated to violence. What evidence, other than Zimmerman's heavily biased claim? There is actually more and better evidence that it was Zimmerman that escalated to violence. Of course the Zimmerman crowd don't want to accept that evidence because it puts poor Georgie in a deservedly bad light. conclusive evidence - no. But thats not the legal standard here. Reasonable doubt goes to the defendent - zimmerman. The only "reasonable" doubt is in Zimmerman's version...actually multiple versions...of what happened. After he "adjusted" his story a number of times he actually got it to line up, somewhat, with the evidence, but he was all over the map before that.




Fortunately, your views are probably soon to be proved wrong. At some point, whats the point of having inordinate discussion when neither you nor I can ater the outcome, nor have an expert opinion.

I find your views unpersuasive. Bottom line is that the jury needs to find beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman didn't have self defense.
Despite your claim that z's story changed, he consistently claimed a fight, and self defense. He never entertained the idea of a plea bargain.

After investigation the police didn't believe it was murder.
The Stanford prosecutor didn't believe that it was provable as murder.

And the bottom line is - did the prosecution prove to all the jurors that Zimmerman wasn't defending himself. Prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sorry. I just don't see it.

I still believe it was self-defense, and I see no reason to think that the defense wasn't plausible. Weighed in the balance Travon came across as an angry, drug using miscreant that was a fighter looking for a fight. Zimmerman, as a whole came across as a guy that was family and neighbor hood oriented. Perhaps a bit of a do gooder.

The only confirmed racist comments were made by Travon.

Yeah - I don't see a conviction happening here.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 4:01:43 PM   
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Why does anyone have to be polite? I can say.. "fuck off asshole".. all day long. I dont have to answer anyone's questions, even from the police. What makes anyone think Z deserved any more?

Because a polite response helps avoid a violent outcome.


Exactly! So if Zimmerman had given Martin a polite response to the question of, "Why are you following me?" things would most likely have turned out without Z committing murder.

Anything to make Zimmerman wrong. He responded, at worst, in the same manner that Martin addressed him so Martin set the tone.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 4:29:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The state has presented some sort of counter theory of events, I'm not at all sure that their witnesses did a very good job of selling it.

The defense has done a textbook job of meeting the basic standard for self defense, using the legal definition of reasonable, not the colloquial one.

The judge followed pretty standard procedures in her rulings, the text messages are a judgement call, and one that the defense should protest in the name of doing their job zealously (as they are required to).

The question is, will the jury be as inflamed by all the disproven hype as some other people have been?

Or, will they throw the prosecution a bone in the form of a lesser included offense guilty verdict?

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 4:34:00 PM   
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That's the scary question.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:06:32 PM   
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Why does anyone have to be polite? I can say.. "fuck off asshole".. all day long. I dont have to answer anyone's questions, even from the police. What makes anyone think Z deserved any more?

Because a polite response helps avoid a violent outcome.


Or gets your ass kicked... depending on what part of the country you are in... and I thought you fella's knew all this.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:07:47 PM   
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Why is this such a big deal? Two guys got into it , one had a gun, now one is dead. That happens, don't see what is so unusual about all this. Oh Tazzygirl, yes you can say "fuck-off asshole" all day, but this world is full of many different people with many different problems. Ever hear about the straw that broke the camels back? Do you want to be that straw to someone's mental state, just 'cause you can ? and i'm sure you feel so superior when you talk like that.


Wrong turn on your way to the dryer?

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:32:31 PM   
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Why does anyone have to be polite? I can say.. "fuck off asshole".. all day long. I dont have to answer anyone's questions, even from the police. What makes anyone think Z deserved any more?

Because a polite response helps avoid a violent outcome.


Or gets your ass kicked... depending on what part of the country you are in... and I thought you fella's knew all this.

If a polite response will get your ass kicked a smart ass one sure will. Inflaming the situation will not calm it down.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:34:05 PM   
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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:38:17 PM   
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lol.... yeah... we definitely have lived in different surroundings

So people in your area are intimidated by a few harsh words? Ours are only irritated by it.
Must be nice to be surrounded by wimps.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:40:25 PM   
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I answer politely because I'm a polite person.
Has zip to do with the other party, it's all an inside job

Well said.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:42:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		The last time I got an impolite response about why somebody thought my yard was a shortcut, I just set the dog on him, and watched the fun. No gun required.

For those too busy repeatedly shrieking their opinion to actually follow the trial, the defense has wrapped, closing arguments are tomorrow, and the judge plans to give it to the jury Friday afternoon. Time to figure out where the hell I put the shoulder holster.



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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:43:59 PM   
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lol.... yeah... we definitely have lived in different surroundings

So people in your area are intimidated by a few harsh words? Ours are only irritated by it.
Must be nice to be surrounded by wimps.


I have lived in areas where a few polite words marked someone as a wimp and an easy mark... especially late at night.

Demanding that someone be polite is ridiculous. Its like demanding respect on these boards. Demanding a 17 year old to be polite after being followed is insane and shows me just how much certain posters are talking about their asses.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:46:55 PM   
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lol.... yeah... we definitely have lived in different surroundings

So people in your area are intimidated by a few harsh words? Ours are only irritated by it.
Must be nice to be surrounded by wimps.


I have lived in areas where a few polite words marked someone as a wimp and an easy mark... especially late at night.

Demanding that someone be polite is ridiculous. Its like demanding respect on these boards. Demanding a 17 year old to be polite after being followed is insane and shows me just how much certain posters are talking about their asses.

You have a right to your opinion see below

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:50:11 PM   
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lol.... yeah... we definitely have lived in different surroundings

So people in your area are intimidated by a few harsh words? Ours are only irritated by it.
Must be nice to be surrounded by wimps.


I have lived in areas where a few polite words marked someone as a wimp and an easy mark... especially late at night.

Demanding that someone be polite is ridiculous. Its like demanding respect on these boards. Demanding a 17 year old to be polite after being followed is insane and shows me just how much certain posters are talking about their asses.

Nobody demanded just suggested it would be a good idea.
So a threatening shouting match calms things down where you come from, amazing.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:51:28 PM   
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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:54:20 PM   
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I have the right to my facts from living in such areas. Just because you havent experienced the same experiences I have, doesnt make me wrong.... as to the rest of this post... see my sig line about TOS.

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Nobody demanded just suggested it would be a good idea.
So a threatening shouting match calms things down where you come from, amazing.


Consider this.... just for a moment... where did I say it was ok for Trayvon to tell anyone else to "fuck off asshole"?

Im really curious about this.

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RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter... - 7/10/2013 6:58:53 PM   
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I have the right to my facts from living in such areas. Just because you havent experienced the same experiences I have, doesnt make me wrong.... as to the rest of this post... see my sig line about TOS.

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Nobody demanded just suggested it would be a good idea.
So a threatening shouting match calms things down where you come from, amazing.


Consider this.... just for a moment... where did I say it was ok for Trayvon to tell anyone else to "fuck off asshole"?

Im really curious about this.

Consider this .....just for a moment......where did I say you did? I'm really curious about this.

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