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BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:23:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

lol.. I am? where? Where did I make that assumption?

When you claim to have my experiences because you look white, come on you knew that.


How many experiences have you had while being a different race? Its amazing how many talked about my "half breed boyfriends", all consoling like... and then the change when they realized those "boy friends" were my brothers.

People make a lot of assumptions... based solely upon looks. How many times have you encountered that? I have been mistaken for white... I have experienced that people are polite when the races are the same, or assumed to be the same.

And if you want to extrapolate that into me saying "you are assuming that all white people have the same experiences.".. that says far more about you than you realize.

You haven't had my experiences. How can looking white mean you have unless all people who look white have the same experience set and your upset because I can see that?
I know what it is like to be a minority. I went to a black university were white students weren't allowed to answer questions, questions were formed in such a way as to exclude white students from being "qualified" to answer them and were everything in history that was wrong was the fault of whites and I was threatened with violence because I didn't accept that all cops were monsters.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:26:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

lol.. I am? where? Where did I make that assumption?

When you claim to have my experiences because you look white, come on you knew that.


How many experiences have you had while being a different race? Its amazing how many talked about my "half breed boyfriends", all consoling like... and then the change when they realized those "boy friends" were my brothers.

People make a lot of assumptions... based solely upon looks. How many times have you encountered that? I have been mistaken for white... I have experienced that people are polite when the races are the same, or assumed to be the same.

And if you want to extrapolate that into me saying "you are assuming that all white people have the same experiences.".. that says far more about you than you realize.

You don't have a clue what my experiences are yet you proclaim to have had my experiences.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:30:08 PM)

And if you want to extrapolate that into me saying "you are assuming that all white people have the same experiences.".. that says far more about you than you realize.

_____________________________

Once again you are pretending to know what goes on inside my head.
You don't want me to put words in your mouth while thinking you can put them in mine.




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:30:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

lol.. I am? where? Where did I make that assumption?

When you claim to have my experiences because you look white, come on you knew that.


How many experiences have you had while being a different race? Its amazing how many talked about my "half breed boyfriends", all consoling like... and then the change when they realized those "boy friends" were my brothers.

People make a lot of assumptions... based solely upon looks. How many times have you encountered that? I have been mistaken for white... I have experienced that people are polite when the races are the same, or assumed to be the same.

And if you want to extrapolate that into me saying "you are assuming that all white people have the same experiences.".. that says far more about you than you realize.

You don't have a clue what my experiences are yet you proclaim to have had my experiences.


The experience in question is being polite to strangers late at night. I have been, and was treated well... I also have been.. and was treated like shit and threatened... are you saying you have been treated well when polite? Are you also saying you have never experienced being treated like shit when polite?

Those are the two experiences being discussed here... lets keep it within the actual realm of the discussion and not include any and every scenario you can possibly come up with. I am sure you have had many experiences as a man that I could never assume I have had as a woman... and I am sure you are well aware of the meaning when I said what I did.

Instead, you want to bitch and moan because you were called out... once again... on a bullshit post.




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:34:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And if you want to extrapolate that into me saying "you are assuming that all white people have the same experiences.".. that says far more about you than you realize.

_____________________________

Once again you are pretending to know what goes on inside my head.
You don't want me to put words in your mouth while thinking you can put them in mine.


What words did I attribute to you? What meaning did I proclaim was yours? You and I have had this similar discussion before.... and you never can admit when you are wrong.

I called you on your bullshit post.. dont assume to ever speak for my intentions again.

Beyond that... ~grins~.. have a wonderful night. [;)]




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:36:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

And if you want to extrapolate that into me saying "you are assuming that all white people have the same experiences.".. that says far more about you than you realize.

_____________________________

Once again you are pretending to know what goes on inside my head.
You don't want me to put words in your mouth while thinking you can put them in mine.


What words did I attribute to you? What meaning did I proclaim was yours? You and I have had this similar discussion before.... and you never can admit when you are wrong.

I called you on your bullshit post.. dont assume to ever speak for my intentions again.

Beyond that... ~grins~.. have a wonderful night. [;)]




cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:36:39 PM)


In this particular case, the gun was the problem. No gun - no murder - no trial.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:37:29 PM)

Bullshit. I never said a damn thing about practical. I want to know why the hell Z doesnt have to be polite, why he can believe a 17 year old walking between houses at night (which is perfectly legal to do) is up to no good, yet T has to bend over backwards to be polite.


In that case you were responding to what you assumed was meant rather than what was said.
Nobody said Zimmerman had any less need to be polite than Martin.
The closest was that Martin by speaking first set the tone.




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:38:08 PM)

To bring this back to the OP...

Zimmerman... dear in head lights... and an incompetent lawyer in regards to having him prepared to discuss his intentions to testify... just my opinion.

If the verdict gets tossed out on appeal, its gonna be a bitch to get a semi-impartial jury after all this a second time around. TV trials really mess up the whole process.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:40:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

And if you want to extrapolate that into me saying "you are assuming that all white people have the same experiences.".. that says far more about you than you realize.

_____________________________

Once again you are pretending to know what goes on inside my head.
You don't want me to put words in your mouth while thinking you can put them in mine.


What words did I attribute to you? What meaning did I proclaim was yours? You and I have had this similar discussion before.... and you never can admit when you are wrong.

I called you on your bullshit post.. dont assume to ever speak for my intentions again.

Beyond that... ~grins~.. have a wonderful night. [;)]

You proclaim that my statement tells things about me that I don't even realize, means you think you know me better than I do.

And you just fall all over yourself proclaiming your mistakes don't you?




Phydeaux -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:58:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

[image]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s720x720/969011_686046508075795_1301940131_n.png[/image]

Words are funny things.

I don't think anyone here is saying Travon deserved to be killed. His death occurred as a series of poor decisions.
He couldn't get along with his mother.
He didn't do well in school and got in fights.
He thought cutting across people yards was ok.
Fighting was his go to response.

At some point you pay for your choices.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 8:59:19 PM)

We need to get back to facts this has gone too far into making the posters the subject.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:02:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

[image]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s720x720/969011_686046508075795_1301940131_n.png[/image]

Words are funny things.

I don't think anyone here is saying Travon deserved to be killed. His death occurred as a series of poor decisions.
He couldn't get along with his mother.
He didn't do well in school and got in fights.
He thought cutting across people yards was ok.
Fighting was his go to response.

At some point you pay for your choices.

Actually I have seen a couple of posts that do take that view but the rational people, the vast majority of those who demand actual prove, do not. There are nuts on our side just like there are on the other side.

Other than that I agree with you completely




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:06:03 PM)

~FR

The supposed "private yards"

[image]http://axiomamnesia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/george-zimmerman-walkkthrough-photo-02272012.png[/image]




Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:09:34 PM)

Who's that fat white guy?



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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

The supposed "private yards"

[image]http://axiomamnesia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/george-zimmerman-walkkthrough-photo-02272012.png[/image]





Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:10:51 PM)

Yeah, it would be a real shame if this entire thread got deleted just as all the facts are coming in.


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

We need to get back to facts this has gone too far into making the posters the subject.





Lucylastic -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:11:42 PM)

He had no right to defend himself ? no gun, just iced tea and skittles and his own strength?
Who gave george the right to kill him for trespass,
who gave him the right to decide that because he wasnt a perfect kid, that he must be scum? how did george know his background?
Yes people ARE saying he deserved to be killed.
george isnt going to pay for his own bad decisions with his life.
And his crime is far more heinous





Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:16:19 PM)

And what bad decisions are those? Being Hispanic? Daring to look at someone the wrong way? Daring to walk around in his own neighborhood? Daring to have a legal weapon, like he was Dianne Feinstein or someone? The nerve!!

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See... if you want to abandon all pretense of objectivity and create strawmen, do it like that.


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He had no right to defend himself ? no gun, just iced tea and skittles and his own strength?
Who gave george the right to kill him for trespass,
who gave him the right to decide that because he wasnt a perfect kid, that he must be scum? how did george know his background?
Yes people ARE saying he deserved to be killed.
george isnt going to pay for his own bad decisions with his life.
And his crime is far more heinous







Lucylastic -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:21:37 PM)

He killed a 17 year old.simple.
Try to understand or not.
I dont give a shit, especially about what you think or assert what im saying




Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:32:14 PM)

I asked questions. You won't answer them. Self portrait complete.


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He killed a 17 year old.simple.
Try to understand or not.
I dont give a shit, especially about what you think or assert what im saying





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