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Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:23:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Soon, this train wreck will be all over, then people can gather their discarded tissues (not for the tears), zip up their pants and go about their lives once again. I disagree. I predict either a manslaughter/negligent homicide verdict or an outright acquittal. In the event of the former, we'll get to argue thru the appeals process (unless it goes negligent homicide/time served plus probation in which case he might want to take it) In the event of the latter, we're gonna have a nice long drawn out Civil Trial.

Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:24:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Soon, this train wreck will be all over, then people can gather their discarded tissues (not for the tears), zip up their pants and go about their lives once again. I disagree. I predict either a manslaughter/negligent homicide verdict or an outright acquittal. In the event of the former, we'll get to argue thru the appeals process (unless it goes negligent homicide/time served plus probation in which case he might want to take it) In the event of the latter, we're gonna have a nice long drawn out Civil Trial. I dunno about the civil trial. O'Mara has indicated he'll seek immunity from civil prosecution after the acquittal per 776.032.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:28:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Soon, this train wreck will be all over, then people can gather their discarded tissues (not for the tears), zip up their pants and go about their lives once again. I disagree. I predict either a manslaughter/negligent homicide verdict or an outright acquittal. In the event of the former, we'll get to argue thru the appeals process (unless it goes negligent homicide/time served plus probation in which case he might want to take it) In the event of the latter, we're gonna have a nice long drawn out Civil Trial. The civil trial wont be for months.... and the appeal process can take even longer.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:29:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Soon, this train wreck will be all over, then people can gather their discarded tissues (not for the tears), zip up their pants and go about their lives once again. I disagree. I predict either a manslaughter/negligent homicide verdict or an outright acquittal. In the event of the former, we'll get to argue thru the appeals process (unless it goes negligent homicide/time served plus probation in which case he might want to take it) In the event of the latter, we're gonna have a nice long drawn out Civil Trial. I dunno about the civil trial. O'Mara has indicated he'll seek immunity from civil prosecution after the acquittal per 776.032. Of course he'll seek it. Any good attorney will. Just like asking for summary acquittal at every stage which has been done. Trial lawyers have a lot of power in FL (and everydamnwhere else it seems) and it would set a bad precedent as far as they were concerned if immunity was granted because it would shit a couple of them out of another fat paycheck.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:30:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Soon, this train wreck will be all over, then people can gather their discarded tissues (not for the tears), zip up their pants and go about their lives once again. I disagree. I predict either a manslaughter/negligent homicide verdict or an outright acquittal. In the event of the former, we'll get to argue thru the appeals process (unless it goes negligent homicide/time served plus probation in which case he might want to take it) In the event of the latter, we're gonna have a nice long drawn out Civil Trial. The civil trial wont be for months.... and the appeal process can take even longer. See what we have to look forward to.[8D]

Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:34:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Soon, this train wreck will be all over, then people can gather their discarded tissues (not for the tears), zip up their pants and go about their lives once again. I disagree. I predict either a manslaughter/negligent homicide verdict or an outright acquittal. In the event of the former, we'll get to argue thru the appeals process (unless it goes negligent homicide/time served plus probation in which case he might want to take it) In the event of the latter, we're gonna have a nice long drawn out Civil Trial. I dunno about the civil trial. O'Mara has indicated he'll seek immunity from civil prosecution after the acquittal per 776.032. Of course he'll seek it. Any good attorney will. Just like asking for summary acquittal at every stage which has been done. Trial lawyers have a lot of power in FL (and everydamnwhere else it seems) and it would set a bad precedent as far as they were concerned if immunity was granted because it would shit a couple of them out of another fat paycheck. Immunity being granted is quite common in Florida, and this is a case where it's likely to be granted. It was not sought pre-criminal trial in this case because most agreed most judges would not be willing to be the one to let George off with this kind of public pressure...but after an acquittal, the self defense case is strong enough that immunity should be easy.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:39:33 AM)
quote: See what we have to look forward to. I posted a long list of jello shots and I am stocking up on popcorn [;)]

Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:49:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: The gunshot came due to being pinned on the ground taking numerous head injuries until George feared imminent death or great bodily injury. But, of course, facts inform belief. And thus facts matter. 2.0cm and 0.5 cm abrasions do not 'imminent death' make. Being checked out 5x5 by the paramedics for neurological function and absence of concussion do not 'imminent death' make. George may have had an UNREASONABLE fear, but that's not good enough under 776.012 or 776.041 Just thought it was funny that the State tried to make a form of this argument be put in the jury instructions, and got shot down.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 8:51:38 AM)
And the defense keeps getting their ass spanked on manners... which I find hysterical. [:D]

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 9:35:58 AM)
Quick poll.. who thinks the "child abuse" charge will stand?

BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:15:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: I don't think anyone here is saying Travon deserved to be killed. His death occurred as a series of poor decisions. He couldn't get along with his mother. He didn't do well in school and got in fights. He thought cutting across people yards was ok. Fighting was his go to response. At some point you pay for your choices. People may not be saying he deserved to be killed but I'm willing to bet that many are thinking it. Trayvon is responsible for his own death because he couldn't get along with his mother or didn't do well in school? This is classic "blame the victim" bullshit. "Well, honey, if you didn't want to get raped, why did you wear a short skirt." He is responsible because he initiated the violence

BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:20:59 AM)
But there has to be something. Martin did not have a weapon, did not have Zimmerman in a position to actually kill him intentionally and was not using sufficient force to do any significant damage (this is according to the Zimmerman version of events which the prosecutor showed yesterday is a lie). Are you kidding , he was in a position to kill Zimmerman accidently, let alone on purpose.

BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:25:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Quick poll.. who thinks the "child abuse" charge will stand? The prosecution is making a blatant emotional appeal to convict him of something, anything, I'm surprised they didn't try littering, (he didn't pick up the shell casing) but really when did he get to card Martin. Hope the jury is too smart for this one.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:30:06 AM)
She tossed it out... and I agree that she should have. However, like with statutory rape, you dont have to know the age to be convicted of the crime.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:30:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Quick poll.. who thinks the "child abuse" charge will stand? That one is almost as stupid as Murder II

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:31:53 AM)
Ouch... no regrets.... so not a smart decision to say that.

Arturas -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:33:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Quick poll.. who thinks the "child abuse" charge will stand? Zero. I would think. Including the Judge, what, it took about an hour for that to be tossed out. The better question is how many think the prosecution are slime balls who looked like little boys being taken to task by the Defense? Me!!!

Arturas -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:34:59 AM)
Sorry, this should be a poll.

DomKen -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:42:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD But there has to be something. Martin did not have a weapon, did not have Zimmerman in a position to actually kill him intentionally and was not using sufficient force to do any significant damage (this is according to the Zimmerman version of events which the prosecutor showed yesterday is a lie). Are you kidding , he was in a position to kill Zimmerman accidently, let alone on purpose. But that fails the reasonable man standard. If we say that anything one person does to another that may accidentally kill them is reason to use lethal force then a hug or backslap qualifies.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/11/2013 10:43:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Quick poll.. who thinks the "child abuse" charge will stand? Zero. I would think. Including the Judge, what, it took about an hour for that to be tossed out. The better question is how many think the prosecution are slime balls who looked like little boys being taken to task by the Defense? Me!!! They both were taken to task by each other and by the Judge.

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