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wckdmnd -> Old adages (7/10/2013 1:29:34 AM)
Using the old adage a submissive is born a slave is made. a dominant is born a Master is made. Why does it seem to be so much easier for most to accept someone who claims themselves to be slave than those that claim themselves to be Master?

TNDommeK -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 3:44:47 AM)
It doesn't for me. I have people swearing they are slaves all day, everyday. And just like I have doubts before I see for myself about one being a master, I have doubts about one being a slave.

hypnocollar -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 3:54:00 AM)
Hmm... I think that being a Master or slave is less of what you say about yourself, and more of the presence you have. Wow... That sounds really wishy washy, but I hope you understand what I mean

DarkSteven -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 4:36:21 AM)
In my experience, anyone who calls himself a Master, isn't. I've seen a lot of self-described slaves who weren't, but a few who were legit.

MasterCaneman -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 5:03:45 AM)
Aw, that hurts, man. That really hurts. Makes me wish I'd have proofread my profile a little better. Mister is only one stinkin' letter away from Master...

ResidentSadist -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 5:19:21 AM)
Power is like being a lady. . . if you have to tell people you are, you aren't. -- Margaret Thatcher

evesgrden -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 5:40:42 AM)
::::whistling::::: That's been my tagline since my aol days. In all seriousness though, you (generic) are what you do. Your behavior defines you far more than any adjective or label. That's why "fake it till you make it" is a realistic method for changing something about yourself. Want to be a runner? Sleep, eat, train, workout like a runner and you'll be a runner. It's different than just going through the motions however, and that's perhaps where what we loosely call wannabes or fakes come into play. When someone'es going through the motions instead of really doing "it", whatever that "it" may be, it's over the top, or hollow, or affected, and more about "look at me I'M A RUNNER!" as opposed to just behaving like a runner and going about learning and doing those things that good runners do. That's not to say that to be a real or true runner one needs to be a marathoner, or a sprinter, just be the type of runner you want to be, that feels right, and go do it.

thishereboi -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 5:43:54 AM)
As far as I am concerned it doesn't. Since you asked the question I have to assume it does for you. so why is that?

littleclip -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 6:27:30 AM)
possible it is easier for you to accept someone that wants to be led that to be a leader

wckdmnd -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 6:43:49 AM)
Then you would assume wrong thishereboi. you can call yourself whatever you want. That doesn't make you be what you say you are

tazzygirl -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 7:00:58 AM)
Nor does either distinction make it so for all people. Just because I believe someone isnt a Master doesnt make it true. The same for slaves. Someone else may come along and decide that person is the perfect Master, or slave, for them... and who are we to question.

wckdmnd -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 7:05:14 AM)
But no where close to each other on the keyboard MasterCaneman. Might be time to get those eyes checked

SpaceSpank -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 7:10:30 AM)
Anyone can call themselves anything they like, and anyone can try and be anything they wish to make an attempt to be. However, the desire doesn't guarantee success. I could call myself a lawyer all day every day, read legal journals and the like till I can hold my own with any lawyer in the world... that doesn't mean I'd be able to actually walk in and pass the bar exam to be one without actually dedicating myself to being a real lawyer. Likewise Master, slave, and anything else. Some people are those things... some of them don't need to advertise it, but some like to show it off... why? Because some people like to brag. It doesn't mean they are more or less a thing, but it also doesn't mean you have to like them. I prefer people who let their actions speak for them, but some people just like to toot their own horn as it were. Others may not be one of those... but they really feel they can/want to be, and are making a very real attempt to be them. Maybe they are going about it the wrong way, or maybe it's just not a good fit and eventually they will move on... but for some... well, everyone needs to start somewhere. I won't begrudge a person for making an honest attempt at something they truly feel they are meant for... even if they screw up a bit in doing so. And yes, of course there are others that just use those terms because think they sound nice and/or impressive and are using the term for their own reasons.

MasterCaneman -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 8:21:35 AM)
I know that. It's just that I'm a touch-typer and sometimes my fingers choose words my brain doesn't.

thishereboi -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 8:50:37 AM)
What makes you assume that most people think that way?

Dyfrynt -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 10:28:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wckdmnd Using the old adage a submissive is born a slave is made. a dominant is born a Master is made. Why does it seem to be so much easier for most to accept someone who claims themselves to be slave than those that claim themselves to be Master? Curious to know where this supposedly old adage comes from, cause I've never heard of it. And I deny its legitimacy. A submissive can be made as easily as a slave is born. Same for the Dom side. How we decide who we are is a function of all the experiences of our lives up till now. As to my acceptance of someone's claims. It is similar to how someone earns my respect. Through their actions. Whether a sub is a submissive or a slave is irrelevant as no-one can agree on those definitions anyway. A submissive proves their submission by actions just as a Dominant proves such by theirs. People can call themselves anything they want. But to coin an adage I have heard of "Actions speak louder than words". I follow their actions to make my determination. And neither is easier accepted than the other. Everyone is treated the same.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 11:01:18 AM)
~FRing it~ Speaking from personal experience and observations I've made over the years of others, I agree with a lot of what Dyfrynt said.

Darkfeather -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 11:08:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dyfrynt quote: ORIGINAL: wckdmnd Using the old adage a submissive is born a slave is made. a dominant is born a Master is made. Why does it seem to be so much easier for most to accept someone who claims themselves to be slave than those that claim themselves to be Master? Curious to know where this supposedly old adage comes from, cause I've never heard of it. And I deny its legitimacy. A submissive can be made as easily as a slave is born. Same for the Dom side. How we decide who we are is a function of all the experiences of our lives up till now. As to my acceptance of someone's claims. It is similar to how someone earns my respect. Through their actions. Whether a sub is a submissive or a slave is irrelevant as no-one can agree on those definitions anyway. A submissive proves their submission by actions just as a Dominant proves such by theirs. People can call themselves anything they want. But to coin an adage I have heard of "Actions speak louder than words". I follow their actions to make my determination. And neither is easier accepted than the other. Everyone is treated the same. Eh, personally I was brought up to always give respect. It was theirs to lose, not to earn. But that is an antiquated way of thinking...

BambiBoi -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 11:22:02 AM)
We assume following is easier than leading. People tend to assume someone a "master" maintains ties with the community, has practiced with various implements, has amassed a valuable arsenal of toys and knowledge, is balanced in work and life, plots and plans elaborate scenes. A slave just says "yes" and complies. Most people don't give slaves enough credit for how hard their place actually is. A careful read of Dyfrynt's post confirms this notion. Dyfyrnt treats slave and sub almost the same, in that a person can be born as either. However, while he mentions a person can be born a dom, he does not deign to suggest one can be born a master. I agree, mastery takes practice. The point is that we're content to say slavery is a natural condition, that does not require practice... Just a submissive with deeper limits. To answer why its easier to accept "slave" as a title rather than "master" is because you think "slave" is out of their control. They just ARE slaves, the way trees are trees. To be honest, when I think "slave" I assume this person is a submissive who either a) has enough love and trust with their dominant that they are willing to obey more blindly because of a long history of their safety being protected by another.... or b) a submissive with increasingly self destructive wants, who thrives on the increased risk and exposure. In many ways, new subs are "B-type slaves" because they don't know what they want or don't want... they just want it all. This has gotten off topic =\

DesFIP -> RE: Old adages (7/10/2013 11:33:10 AM)
Never heard the adage, don't subscribe to it in any way, shape or means. I think that, exclusive of leather circles, to be a master or slave is something that you do in relationship with someone else. That anyone saying they're searching for a partner and proclaiming themselves to be one, isn't. They may have been in their last relationship. But that means nothing. It would be equivalent to saying you were a wife or husband when you're not married.

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