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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 6:40:17 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		Actually, I got it exactly right. I said information was needed about the source of what was written, and you have since provided. Thank you for demonstrating my point.

The theme here, is I'm sticking to the available evidence to form what conclusions can be made from that evidence, while you form conclusions based on assumptions drawn from your own prejudices.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 6:44:04 AM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Actually, I got it exactly right. I said information was needed about the source of what was written, and you have since provided. Thank you for demonstrating my point.

The theme here, is I'm sticking to the available evidence to form what conclusions can be made from that evidence, while you form conclusions based on assumptions drawn from your own prejudices.


Some of us can see racism for what it is, without needing to be shown the way. Wasnt my quip of "Answers on a white sheet" a big enough pointer.

Again, are you stupid enough to suggest I am prejudist againt racists, because you clearly stated that in your post. (Bolded)

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 6:47:45 AM   
Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Some of us can see racism for what it is, without needing to be shown the way.


Seeing you call someone an apologist for racism who is as against racism as you are seems to demonstrate otherwise.
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Again, are you stupid enough to suggest I am prejudist againt racists, because you clearly stated that in your post. (Bolded)



Wrong. The bolded does not say you're prejudiced against racists. It's yet another assumption formed from your prejudice.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 6:57:02 AM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Yada yada yada....... and so it continues. Your posting the same stuff over and over doesnt change a thing.

Lets examine one of your quotes though.

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"The Only Good Trayvon is a Dead Trayvon" could be written by someone racist, using Trayvon as a representation of those he hates. It could be someone who was victimized by teen thugs of any color. Either way, it's an extremely distasteful and abhorrent sentiment. But it's not evidenced in the words itself that it's racist. Unless you have information about the writer separate from what he's written here, you're just assuming he's racist.


Are you silly enought o suggest someone whon had been attacked by thugs would make up such a song about a dead black kid. Your excuses are getting to be as flimsy as they are boring.

Peon or Lucy will explain "racism" to you if you ask them nicely.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 7:04:51 AM   
Raiikun


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Yada yada yada....... and so it continues. Your posting the same stuff over and over doesnt change a thing.


True, some people refuse to learn no matter how many times I post the facts.

Lets examine one of your quotes though.

quote:


Are you silly enought o suggest someone whon had been attacked by thugs would make up such a song about a dead black kid.


I've seen worse songs written by whites about other whites, etc. There's nothing silly about that suggestion, but the fact that you believe there could only be the one possibility speaks volumes about your preconceived opinions that cause you to jump to conclusions.

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Peon or Lucy will explain "racism" to you if you ask them nicely.


There is absolutely nothing they have to teach me on the subject. I've seen them both jump to conclusions the same way you do.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 11:08:53 AM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Yes, my bad, I have the preconceived notion that racism shouldnt be tolerated. I wonder if SD will post where he got the song from ? Somehow I doubt it.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 11:18:37 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		I have the same belief that racism should not be tolerated. I, would rather avoid your type of hatred and bigotry against those who have valid disagreements however.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 12:15:05 PM   
lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

I'd have to know about the person who wrote that, it's very possible he's racist. But it's not evident in the song itself.

In any case, I find that one more distasteful than the first.


Fuck me, you almost got something right..... since my quote in post 3212 came from Stormfronts website its VERY possible the poster may have been racist.

Are you seeing a theme here at all ?



Well, now that you qualified the lyrics you posted (the ones not from collarme) coming from Stormfront, you could apply racism. Where did SD's lyrics come from ? If we could establish they came from a bunch of KKK guys then I would be happy to apply racism. Until then I'm not seein it.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 12:20:39 PM   
lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

I have the same belief that racism should not be tolerated. I, would rather avoid your type of hatred and bigotry against those who have valid disagreements however.


He said bullocks. He even said the song was racist bullocks. Isn't that proof enough for ya ?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 12:55:05 PM   
Rule


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Perhaps if PS hadn't lied and claimed it was racist

PS is psychologically unable to admit that he was wrong: it would destroy him.

He also is psychologically unable to tell a lie: he is convinced that everything that he says is the truth. So there never is any need to admit that he was wrong.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 1:24:10 PM   
Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Apologists for racism are calling me on my shit, I can deal with that.

Apologists for racism? Seriously? You said, it is this sentiment that makes the song racist. But where is this "sentiment" coming from? You can't possibly know what SD's "sentiments" were. So I guess that leaves you, eh? Face it, you've hung yourself in public with your own words. Don't make it worse.

K.




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 1:37:33 PM   
Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Some of us can see racism for what it is...

You mean like a Great White Hero rushing forward to defend dem po' [redacted racist slur]cringing in the shadows too skeered to speak up?

K.





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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 3:51:45 PM   
VideoAdminGamma


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There are still some things this topic is moderated for. One of which is racial slurs, whether they are used in jest, sarcasm or any manner. No gold letters for such but the terms will be redacted. If the terms are continued to be used after warnings, then you may get a gold letter or the topic closed.

Thanks,
Gamma

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 4:00:23 PM   
Kirata


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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminGamma

There are still some things this topic is moderated for. One of which is racial slurs, whether they are used in jest, sarcasm or any manner. No gold letters for such but the terms will be redacted. If the terms are continued to be used after warnings, then you may get a gold letter or the topic closed.

Wow, I didn't even know that "b------s" was slur. But I looked it up, and damn you're right. Sorry about that.

K.




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 4:08:56 PM   
DomKen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminGamma

There are still some things this topic is moderated for. One of which is racial slurs, whether they are used in jest, sarcasm or any manner. No gold letters for such but the terms will be redacted. If the terms are continued to be used after warnings, then you may get a gold letter or the topic closed.

Wow, I didn't even know that "b------s" was slur. But I looked it up, and damn you're right. Sorry about that.

A lying asshole spreading racist filth and then claiming he didn't mean to. Par for the course. Shocking that you only "unintentionally" used a racial slur in an unmoderated thread where you thought you could get away with it bigot.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 4:33:25 PM   
DominantWoman65


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Status: offline 		I have been reading the posts off and on all day and at one point almost responded with my own opinion of the song and what I thought of the poster and then realized that if I did, I would be giving him exactly what he was looking for, a reaction. If I may suggest, why don't we just ignore the dribble and stop empowering them to continue.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 5:01:54 PM   
Kirata


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Settle down, bozo. Even context aside, the opposite of "whitey" just didn't strike me as particularly egregious. Neither does "whitey" for that matter. I stand corrected, of course. But let the record show that the Search function delivers 15 fucking pages of posts that have used or quoted the word "whitey" without moderation even in moderated threads.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 5:14:57 PM   
VideoAdminGamma


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Status: offline 		Those posts were never reported. We have redacted and pulled posts for using "cracker" and "redneck" which were reported.

When it is not an obvious slur, I usually redact or pull and send a reminder. All mail from staff has gold borders, but a reminder is not logged anywhere as a violation.

Hope this clears things up.

If any of those racial slurs using "whitey" are within 7 - 10 days old, please use the report feature on those posts and they will be dealt with.

Thanks for being a member of CollarMe,
Gamma

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Settle down, bozo. Even context aside, the opposite of "whitey" just didn't strike me as particularly egregious. Neither does "whitey" for that matter. I stand corrected, of course. But let the record show that the Search function delivers 15 fucking pages of posts that have used or quoted the word "whitey" without moderation even in moderated threads.

Houghton Mifflin
Macmillan
Websters New World

K.








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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 5:46:31 PM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Kirata



Apologists for racism? Seriously? You said, it is this sentiment that makes the song racist. But where is this "sentiment" coming from? You can't possibly know what SD's "sentiments" were. So I guess that leaves you, eh? Face it, you've hung yourself in public with your own words. Don't make it worse.

K.





You would like to think so.... being chided by those who have done so on the subject is hardly "hanging myself in Public"

Even so, I would rather that than ignore the bullshit which set me off. Nice to know you seem to fell anyone speaking out on the topic is "defending dem po" etc etc. If you truly didnt know your racist slur was such, why should I think you know enough on the topic to presume to tell me what I do and dont know ?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 3/29/2014 6:00:47 PM   
Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

why should I think you know enough on the topic to presume to tell me what I do and dont know ?

How about because you can't read minds?

Unless, of course, your willing to demonstrate this superpower and prove me wrong.

Gimme a sec to get a drink.

K.


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