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I don't believe there is any significant momentum to change the stand your ground law in florida. nor do I believe that there will be a significant change in the right to bear arms so long as the supreme court composition remains asis.

A lot of people.. some silent, some not so silent, think stand your ground is working as designed.

This will depend on the senseless murder / acquittal rate. Fox News and co. will have a different slant when a white child is murdered in self defense. This case here does not advance the cause of stand your ground laws. The question is, what will the next case look like, and when will it occur?

You forgot an important question....how can I use this to make the other side (especially those idiots at Fox) look bad? After all, what good will someones death be if you can't use it to further your political agenda?

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I have said repeatedly that Martin would also have a good self defense plea

Not if he threw the first punch. It's not self defence if you throw the first punch, and Zimmermans allegation is that the little thug wannabe threw the first punch. There's no evidence to disprove that; in spite of what all the assclowns who believe following someone is "instigating" or a crime want to believe.

BUT

I agree that if the roles were reversed you would be absolutely correct. If Zimmerman threw the first punch and was beating the little wannabes head into the concrete and got himself killed.... then thuggy-dead-kid would indeed have a good self-defence case.

-SD-

If when Zimmerman reached for his cell phone Martin believed he was going for a weapon it also changes things.

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What safety was that when you consider he had a younger brother at home?

How about the walls and a locked door for starters?

K.

oh ffs, if you are being followed/stalked the last thing in the fn world you want is for that person to find out where you live... there is no way I would have gone home had I been in Martin's shoes..

What Should I Do If I Am Being Stalked?
If someone is following you, never go home.
http://www.safehorizon.org/index/get-help-8/for-stalking-36/what-should-i-do-if-i-am-being-stalked-4.html

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And it is not a random encounter, it was engineered. So --- so much for that bit of nothingness.

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Zimmy may have been a lot of things but a skinhead isn't one of them.

Zimmy does not have to be a skinhead for a young black kid to see a whitish guy with a shaven head following him to consider that the shaven head perv/creep might be one and to be afraid.. If I put myself in Martin's position, if I was a young black kid being followed by a shaved head creep, I would have been very afraid myself.. (I have actually been in a similar situation-see my previous post of being followed by car by a "redneck" attacker)..

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it was still profiling of someone that, at least at that moment, didn't deserve it.

Agreed. But in a neighborhood that was suffering from repeated burglaries and home invasions by old white guys, I'd expect to be profiled too. Fortunately for me, that's probably not the case anywhere on the planet. But for Trayvon, he not only fit the profile, he probably didn't have a clue. The whole damn thing was a tragedy from start to finish. Zimmerman never expected (let alone intended) to shoot anybody. He only bought that gun because of a problem with dogs in the neighborhood, and only after a loose pit bull cornered his wife in their yard.

But tragedy is one thing, depravity is another. And in my opinion, what's truly depraved here is the race-baiting circus that set up its tents on Trayvon's grave, drawn by the scent of money.

K.

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and where in that link does it say, turn around and say what are you following me for?

also if you read the link they are clearly refering to a TRUE stalker, not a single random encounter

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Zimmy may have been a lot of things but a skinhead isn't one of them.

Zimmy does not have to be a skinhead for a young black kid to see a whitish guy with a shaven head following him to consider that the shaven head perv/creep might be one and to be afraid ...

Right, tj.

But the presumption among the Zimmy defenders seems to be that T Martin was actually at fault for not having sufficient telepathic skills to be able to ascertain that some fellow with his head shaved was not in fact a Nazi sympathizer skinhead, and that the aggressive behavior by a conspicuously and overtly strange acting person with a shaved head and wearing a red sweatshirt did not indicate immediately that this was a 'neighborhood watch' person, etc.

If Martin actually had such telepathic ability, he would have known about Zimmerman's prior record of assaults on a policeman, his girlfriend, his roommate, etc., and probably would have started running a lot sooner and a lot faster.

OK, Martin never actually 'ran,' I was just speaking rhetorically, there.

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And it is not a random encounter, it was engineered. So --- so much for that bit of nothingness.

its a random encounter in that those two people had never encountered eachother on a previous occassion...
its random due to the fact that neither of them planned on seeing eachother that particular night

its random by almost every definition of the word!

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I hope no one here/or there loved ones, is every chased down a street on a dark night.

So do I. But if it happens, I hope they're within a few-second sprint to the safety of their front door and home, like Trayvon was.

K.

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Prior to your assumptions of safety in the house, the few seconds and all that horseshit? Or where do you want to crank it to? Prior to Zimmerman stalking him, when Trayvon was on his way home minding his own business? Or where do you want to crank the assumptions back to?

Zimmerman had lost sight of Trayvon. End of story. Home free.

K.

Zimmerman soon regained sight of Trayvon.

End of Trayvon.

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~FR

Why are some labeling Z a "wacko skin head" and T a "thug"? Honestly, neither of these men fit those descriptions, especially in this case.

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And even if he had lost sight of Martin, did the dead thug know this?

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Prior to your assumptions of safety in the house, the few seconds and all that horseshit? Or where do you want to crank it to? Prior to Zimmerman stalking him, when Trayvon was on his way home minding his own business? Or where do you want to crank the assumptions back to?

Zimmerman had lost sight of Trayvon. End of story. Home free.

K.

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He met none of the criteria for stalking the first of which is it had to happen repeatedly