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Saying it had nothing to do with the case is denying the very reason Zimmerman was found not guilty... it is the very law he built his defense on and the same law that allowed him to kill another human being and walk away a free man... Pretty logical to me.

Butch

You clearly paid no attention to the trial.
The Zimmerman defense team never used SYG.
They used self defense which is different.
Had SYG been involved there would have been a special hearing for it with no jury.
Had he won on SYG there would have been no trial.
It is impossible to retreat with someone sitting on top of you so SYG would not have been a factor.
Other than these trivial points it was all about SYG.

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Not at all. NW watch plainly states... you do not follow. Period. NW watch isnt JUST for those on patrol but for the whole community. Its taught to all members of the community. You do NOT follow. Since he was in charge of the NW there.. he should have followed his training. Instead, you want to whine and let him off that hook. he is not guilty.. per the jury. Per public opinion, for following the way he did, he will never be forgiven.

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Can you not read? He broke *no* rules. He was driving down the street as a private citizen on personal errands. He was not acting as a neighborhood watch in any capacity.

Completely against the NW rules. Completely in violation of his role as NW Captain for the subdivision. Had anyone else broken such a rule within their own role as leader, they would be immediately fired. Had I done so as a nurse, and caused the death of someone, completely against my role as a nurse, I would be held responsible. I feel no reason to hold him "blameless" on breaking the rules simply because he insisted he wasnt "on patrol".

So you're saying a neighborhood watch captain can't drive to the store. You're ridiculous.

They are not cops (as you folks love to point out). They are not "on duty" 24 hours a day. He is allowed to be and act as a private citizen and that includes carrying his gun concealed while running errands.

Not at all. NW watch plainly states... you do not follow. Period. NW watch isnt JUST for those on patrol but for the whole community. Its taught to all members of the community. You do NOT follow. Since he was in charge of the NW there.. he should have followed his training. Instead, you want to whine and let him off that hook. he is not guilty.. per the jury. Per public opinion, for following the way he did, he will never be forgiven.

Public opinion is a bitch of a jury.

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Saying it had nothing to do with the case is denying the very reason Zimmerman was found not guilty... it is the very law he built his defense on and the same law that allowed him to kill another human being and walk away a free man... Pretty logical to me.

Butch

You clearly paid no attention to the trial.
The Zimmerman defense team never used SYG.
They used self defense which is different.
Had SYG been involved there would have been a special hearing for it with no jury.
Had he won on SYG there would have been no trial.
It is impossible to retreat with someone sitting on top of you so SYG would not have been a factor.
Other than these trivial points it was all about SYG.

I agree with you by and large. The zimmerman team did at first assert a Stand your ground defense. They later determined that they did not want to open the door to certain lines of attack, and then reverted to a simple self-defense defense.

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Good,l when a cop is off duty and he sees someone about to cap your ass, I hope he keeps right on driving by. After all, he is off duty, he has no reason to follow the rules.

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The Florida statues on self defense were written decades ago, to match the US Supreme Court's ruling setting the new standard... 'a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm'. That's the standard the jury was told to apply. Not SYG, not child abuse, not dueling, not any of the media's hype.

Those legislators aren't there any more, how is kicking out the current group and passing an unconstitutional law from a mob going to help?

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I would think amending the Florida Statutes that enabled this mess would be a start... Then I'd do my best to kick the radicals that passed the law from office and get responsible legislatures to govern the state.

Butch

It would make them feel better. And the goal for some was to undermine self defense all along.

I have no problem with self defense as long as it is an affirmative defense. The Florida rule makes a mockery of the very concept.

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Good,l when a cop is off duty and he sees someone about to cap your ass, I hope he keeps right on driving by. After all, he is off duty, he has no reason to follow the rules.

A cop is a licensed peace officer, not a private citizen. They are on duty 24 hours a day. Neighborhood watch is not, dumb cunt.

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Not at all. NW watch plainly states... you do not follow. Period. NW watch isnt JUST for those on patrol but for the whole community. Its taught to all members of the community. You do NOT follow. Since he was in charge of the NW there.. he should have followed his training. Instead, you want to whine and let him off that hook. he is not guilty.. per the jury. Per public opinion, for following the way he did, he will never be forgiven.

Are you truly that retarded? NW is not a paid position. He wasn't hired, interviewed, vetted, etc.

I see neighborhood watch signs all over my neighborhood. They don't mean shit. They do not override my rights as a private citizen. I've certainly received no "training" or seen anything about rules.

A "captain" doesn't forfeit his rights as a citizen anymore than I do. If he sees something fishy, he can act. Following is not a crime and even the cops have said as much. For you to continue that illogical line of thinking even after his acquittal is downright stupid.

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Just say the conceal and carry laws are the only cause for the reduction in violent crime… that is a stretch but just say it is. Is this reduction worth the loss of life from gun accidents that ridiculously far outnumber incidents of citizens protecting themselves directly with guns?

I ’m not sure it is… In my town I can only remember two cases of direct gun use by citizens to end or prevent a crime in the last few years yet there have been dozens of children killed and maimed by the guns of so called responsible gun owners. I’m not sure if that is the point tazzy is trying to make but it is a valid one I am making and it is something to think about anyway.

I hate turning this thread to the usual gun control even if it is pertinent because it is useless to do… But the SYG law in Florida would be the logical target of those dissatisfied with this verdict…we shall see.

Butch

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Stupid spineless moron... in a private car, you wont know he is a cop.

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Stupid spineless moron... in a private car, you wont know he is a cop.

Stupid illogical cunt, it doesn't matter what I know. The cop knows, as he took the oath (another thing neighborhood watch does not have). And that oath means the cop will act when needed.

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Z knew.. and disregarded all he knew because he was "off duty".. if one can do it, they all can do it.

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On that, I have to wonder if O'Mara wasn't yanking the media's chain as he seemed to do a couple of times.

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Saying it had nothing to do with the case is denying the very reason Zimmerman was found not guilty... it is the very law he built his defense on and the same law that allowed him to kill another human being and walk away a free man... Pretty logical to me.

Butch

You clearly paid no attention to the trial.
The Zimmerman defense team never used SYG.
They used self defense which is different.
Had SYG been involved there would have been a special hearing for it with no jury.
Had he won on SYG there would have been no trial.
It is impossible to retreat with someone sitting on top of you so SYG would not have been a factor.
Other than these trivial points it was all about SYG.

I agree with you by and large. The zimmerman team did at first assert a Stand your ground defense. They later determined that they did not want to open the door to certain lines of attack, and then reverted to a simple self-defense defense.

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Not at all. NW watch plainly states... you do not follow. Period. NW watch isnt JUST for those on patrol but for the whole community. Its taught to all members of the community. You do NOT follow. Since he was in charge of the NW there.. he should have followed his training. Instead, you want to whine and let him off that hook. he is not guilty.. per the jury. Per public opinion, for following the way he did, he will never be forgiven.

Are you truly that retarded? NW is not a paid position. He wasn't hired, interviewed, vetted, etc.

I see neighborhood watch signs all over my neighborhood. They don't mean shit. They do not override my rights as a private citizen. I've certainly received no "training" or seen anything about rules.

A "captain" doesn't forfeit his rights as a citizen anymore than I do. If he sees something fishy, he can act. Following is not a crime and even the cops have said as much. For you to continue that illogical line of thinking even after his acquittal is downright stupid.

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Nope. Zimmerman is a hero in my book. We're a definite minority -but on the flip side, we hold him in higher esteem than we do people that support abortion. He killed a thug. Abortion kills a baby.

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I suspect that we are going to see every single myth and lie from Day One, recycled... (A 10 year old child was executed with 3 bullets to the back of the head by Sanford cops,' and 'KKK Grand Dragon Zimmerman, whose father is a Supreme Court Chief Justice', all the way up to 'Zimmerman can be heard on the 911 call saying 'N*****r', at which point the police order him to return home or be arrested... his response is 'Screw you dirty coppers, see?'.

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I dont stalk you like you do me. I dont give a fuck about your many posts that I scroll by because you are such an idiot on many political topics. I sure as hell am glad I dont live in your neighborhood with your inept attitude on the protection of children.

Riiiiight. Stalking...on a public message board. LoL Try another one oh-illogical-one.

I'm very glad I live nowhere near someone who wants to trample on others' rights.

We trample on rights all the time... because the rights of others also matter.

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No tazzy we don't. The 14th amendment guarantees us due process. And while we may be convicted of law due process means our rights are not trampled. We can fail to be ideal - but that doesnt me trample.