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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

It is painful to say this: Trayvon Martin is not a miscarriage of American justice, but American justice itself. This is not our system malfunctioning. It is our system working as intended.

We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. And it's working perfectly. You can kill someone who is part of the N*gger-Class and walk away secure in your knowledge that as long as you kill a N*gger, you're fine.

This isn't a problem with the law. It's AMERICA. This is our country.

America has a sad racial history it's true but your statement is hyperbole.

94% of black victims are assaulted by blacks and 86% of white victims are assaulted by whites. The numbers are approximate but you can see the message. Victimhood is a matter of proximity and opportunity, not race.

And courts are unconcerned about 'justice' for any of them. Zimmerman walked because he could afford White lawyers, and not N*gger Lawyers like everyone else gets.

I never said anything about 'victimhood'. I critiqued the America's BASIC FIBER and the courts which evolve from it.

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1-This wasn't about race. The only ones who made it about race were the media and politicians. In other words, racists taking advantage of a tragedy to advance personal agendas,most re gun control,SYG and race.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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1-This wasn't about race. The only ones who made it about race were the media and politicians. In other words, racists taking advantage of a tragedy to advance personal agendas,most re gun control,SYG and race.

Im not so sure about it not being about race. Dont get me wrong, I dont think Z decided to do what he did simply because T was black. I do have to wonder about how the police treated this case initially though.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, I think that the Marrissa Alexander conviction would not bear those views out.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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1-This wasn't about race. The only ones who made it about race were the media and politicians. In other words, racists taking advantage of a tragedy to advance personal agendas,most re gun control,SYG and race.

Im not so sure about it not being about race. Dont get me wrong, I dont think Z decided to do what he did simply because T was black. I do have to wonder about how the police treated this case initially though.

What?They investigated.They did not find proof that a crime had been committed.Thus, they didn't charge. A decision that,now that we've squandered millions on a trial,looks wise in hindsight and was vindicated by a jury.

Did they make mistakes?
Sure. But that happens on every case. No crime work is 100% perfect.In this case, the CSI people really shouldn't have wrapped the body in plastic, that violates crime scene protocols 101 (Ruins any DNA,skin scrapings etc...because it traps the moisture within the plastic,compromising everything).But other than that,their fieldwork was fine.
I'd say it was a whole helluva lot more racist for the city council to be breathing down the cops backs forcing them to lay bad charges on Z than anything Z may have done.

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The Talk is something that this black father has been having with his now 24 year old son, since he was born. It's sad that we have to have The Talk but it could potentially be tragic not to have it. Situations like the Trayvon Martin trial and the upcoming trial for Jordan Davis are real life examples I show my son, of how the fears of some white people can be placed on him and cost him his life.

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1-This wasn't about race.

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According to someone who was just on CNN, all that is needed to prove a federal case for a hate crime is that it was a racially motivated violence. I just dont see them proving that against Z.

Did they make mistakes?
Sure. But that happens on every case. No crime work is 100% perfect.In this case, the CSI people really shouldn't have wrapped the body in plastic, that violates crime scene protocols 101 (Ruins any DNA,skin scrapings etc...because it traps the moisture within the plastic,compromising everything).But other than that,their fieldwork was fine.
I'd say it was a whole helluva lot more racist for the city council to be breathing down the cops backs forcing them to lay bad charges on Z than anything Z may have done.

And yet its those mistakes that may have made the difference in a case. Had blood been found on T's hands that belonged to Z, as it surely should have had T actually tried to smother Z in the way Z stated, after the broken nose, then much of the anger would be a moot point.

I dont think I am so far wrong to question how they processed the scene and if it was because it was a "young black male".

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If it had not been made into a race thing initially, the parents would not have gotten a trial to find out what happened.. I did say in an earlier post, i dont think there should be trials if there isnt enough evidence.. anyone who has lost a loved one wants to find out what really happened but most dont unless it does go to trial.. While Martins family got their trial, it has come at a great cost, imo, finacially as well as the reputation of "Justice" (not that it wasnt severly tarnished already), and its divided the country..

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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1-This wasn't about race.

So, if Trayvon Martin was a White Woman, there would have been the same outcome?

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I believe the only reason the Feds are going to push a civil-rights case is to assuage the black community. Nothing more, nothing less, and irregardless of whether or not there really is a case. Like just about everything else about this, it's all smoke and mirrors to placate a population. While I am no fan of Obama, in this case I think he's made the correct call in pushing this. If a civil-rights case is found lacking by a black AG directed to do so by a black President, it will go far in keeping the chance of riots down.

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I do.I find it massively insulting to the professionalism of the police/CSI people to presume that because the victim was black,that they did a poor job intentionally.
I think that the idea that most cops would waste their career, throw away a pension,risk imprisonment,not to mention the damage to reputation and family, as well as possible civil repercussions,to try and not do a good job on a case because the color of the victim is ludicrous.Especially in light of the fact that,well,most murder victims in this country are black.In Baltimore as of last week, we've had 126 murders. 118 black, 7white, 1 Latin.In other words,all CSI techs do is process black bodies.They have standards of professionalism.They have a code and ethics they've sworn to support. To imply that they intentionally choose not to do a proper job because the victim was black is to do them a callous injustice.Especially since you have not a single fact to base that accusation on, and it's a damn ugly implication at that.

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She btw said she saw more racism in one weekend in Detroit than 40 years in the South.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

And you find it acceptable for the federales to use their massive powers to do this?For the entire power of a nation state to come down on one man because a politician "wants to placate a population?"
That's not a nation of law.That's knee jerk, reactionary, wag the dog,mob rule.
And frightening as hell.
That scares me far far more than 100,000 heavily armed Zimmerman's.As it should us all.
Fuck due process.Fuck double jeopardy.We're just going to keep coming at you through a million different federal agencies until you are too broke to fight or to exhausted to go on.
That's100% BS.And exactly what our nation was founded against.
Police states-they're scary places folks. And the road to hell, she be paved with good intentions.