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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:06:24 PM   
Politesub53


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Something else no one can answer for me... anywhere... how did Z's nose swelling go down so fast?


Pinocchio`s nose always went down when he wasn`t lying.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:07:49 PM   
Powergamz1


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Something else no one can answer for me... anywhere... how did Z's nose swelling go down so fast?


Pinocchio`s nose always went down when he wasn`t lying.




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:08:34 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Then you have the fact that he claimed to be NW but in a situation where he chose to act well beyond the bounds of NW he left his vehicle and pursued a person he believed to a criminal. Did he consider for one second that the "robber" he was tailing might be armed? That the police dispatcher had clearly said to not do so? He was emboldened because he was carrying. That is exactly the wrong sort to even own a firearm.

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that he was off duty that night so NW rules don't apply.
How many times do you have to be reminded that the dispatcher said he didn't need to follow,  a far cry from don't follow.
The fact that the suspicious person, never referenced as a robber, burglar, or anything but suspicious, may have been armed is a good reason to be carrying. 

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:09:22 PM   
Powergamz1


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The effective handgun is the one you have with you at the time.

_____________________________The most effective handgun is the one you are comfortable with.
The best handgun is the one you have with you.


And are willing to use.
Cuz this is key here.If you have a handgun and carry it,you damn well better be ready to pull the trigger should an altercation arise,because if not,there's a large chance that shits getting taken from you and shoved up your ass.
That's the risk inherent in carrying a weapon. Not just guns either,but any kind

The risk anytime you decide to fight back.  Once you do you can't change your mind. 




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:11:18 PM   
Kana


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Then you have the fact that he claimed to be NW but in a situation where he chose to act well beyond the bounds of NW he left his vehicle and pursued a person he believed to a criminal. Did he consider for one second that the "robber" he was tailing might be armed? That the police dispatcher had clearly said to not do so? He was emboldened because he was carrying. That is exactly the wrong sort to even own a firearm.

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that he was off duty that night so NW rules don't apply.
How many times do you have to be reminded that the dispatcher said he didn't need to follow,  a far cry from don't follow.
The fact that the suspicious person, never referenced as a robber, burglar, or anything but suspicious, may have been armed is a good reason to be carrying. 

No, the fact is that Zimmerman was licensed to carry, it's legal in the state he was in, and he was carrying according to all applicable laws and regulations. As evidenced by the lack of firearms charges against him (Cuz after that child abuse nonsense, you damn well know that if they could have, they would have.).
Thus, he needs to justify his carrying to no one.
Period.

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I suspect that some CCW and MMA classes don't spend anywhere near enough time on that subject.

100% agree.

< Message edited by Kana -- 7/15/2013 5:12:34 PM >

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:13:19 PM   
Powergamz1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Then you have the fact that he claimed to be NW but in a situation where he chose to act well beyond the bounds of NW he left his vehicle and pursued a person he believed to a criminal. Did he consider for one second that the "robber" he was tailing might be armed? That the police dispatcher had clearly said to not do so? He was emboldened because he was carrying. That is exactly the wrong sort to even own a firearm.

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that he was off duty that night so NW rules don't apply.
How many times do you have to be reminded that the dispatcher said he didn't need to follow,  a far cry from don't follow.
The fact that the suspicious person, never referenced as a robber, burglar, or anything but suspicious, may have been armed is a good reason to be carrying. 



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:13:56 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Yes the guy is a wingnut. To start with I strongly doubt a 9mm short pistol carried on the back of the hip is going to be drawable and deadly against a dog that is actually attacking. He concealed carried to feel like a cop.

You can't do it so if he thought he could there is something wrong with him.
What do you suggest he do, attempt to explain to the dogs that biting people isn't nice?  

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:14:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Zimmerman's wife was in nursing. Maybe she has professional knowledge that people here lack.
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Something else no one can answer for me... anywhere... how did Z's nose swelling go down so fast?


Pinocchio`s nose always went down when he wasn`t lying.





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I am a nurse...

She wasnt at the scene of the crime

She wasnt at the police station

And no physician I have spoken to can explain the swelling going down.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:16:21 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		When a guy applies to a police force and fails, usually for failing the polygraph or the psych eval and keeps trying and/or starts acting like cop they are called a wannabe. They are tolerated by a few officers but most of the rest hate the guys cause they do stupid shit that causes the officers or themselves problems. that is what Zimmerman was.

You know why he failed?
Maybe fitness which is why he signed up at the MMA gym?
But that wouldn't make him a nutcase.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:18:33 PM   
Politesub53


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The topic is the possibility of federal criminal charges against Zimmerman

And you want to go on record as assuring us that Zimmerman was sued and lost?

You'll make up any lie, to further that racist agenda, won't you?


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

So you think that federal criminal charges of violating someone's civil rights, are the same thing as a 'civil' case?

What shithouse did you get that from?


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OJ won the criminal case, but lost the civil case. He aint the onliest one done that.



No genius ex FEDERAL cop. He was sued by the family of one of his alleged victims for being the cause of death and lost.




Way to go with not reading what Hillwill was on about. I expect nothing better from you and you have rarely let me down. For your enlightenment, Hillwill was on about OJ, as per the letters O J clearly stated by Ron.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:19:22 PM   
BamaD


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:20:55 PM   
BamaD


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"There is none so blind as he who will not see" 

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:23:48 PM   
tj444


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The fact that the suspicious person, never referenced as a robber, burglar, or anything but suspicious, may have been armed is a good reason to be carrying. 

the other person being armed is actually a good reason to not leave your vehicle.. he also kept referring to Martin, I believe to both the operator and to the police during the interview as "the suspect"... that to me means he considered Martin was much more than just "suspicious".. he basically had already judged Martin a "criminal"..

< Message edited by tj444 -- 7/15/2013 5:27:03 PM >

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:23:53 PM   
Powergamz1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

How many times do you think it's going to take?

"There is none so blind as he who will not see" 



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:27:17 PM   
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Zimmerman wasn't "on duty" and he had a concealed carry permit.
He started carrying because of vicious dogs in the area and the police told him a taser wouldn't stop a big dog. All a matter of record.

One has to wonder what sort of punkassmotherfucker needs a gun to deal with a dog....Let me guess someone out looking to punk someone he cant take in a fist fight.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:42:54 PM   
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No, self defense was a given right.

You attack someone and they start kcking your ass and you pull out a gun and kill them and claim self defense.
That would be a punkass motherfucker in spades.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:45:40 PM   
MissToYouRedux


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No, the fact is that Zimmerman was licensed to carry, it's legal in the state he was in, and he was carrying according to all applicable laws and regulations.



Which is exactly the reason why FL is now added to my list of states for which I need a *really* good reason before I'd voluntarily visit [again].

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:47:35 PM   
Powergamz1


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Status: offline 		And as you are well aware, there was a conversation about Zimmerman and civil rights charges, already in progress.

Way to swear to a lie, in the service of racism... a reputation you've worked hard to build.


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The topic is the possibility of federal criminal charges against Zimmerman

And you want to go on record as assuring us that Zimmerman was sued and lost?

You'll make up any lie, to further that racist agenda, won't you?


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

So you think that federal criminal charges of violating someone's civil rights, are the same thing as a 'civil' case?

What shithouse did you get that from?


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OJ won the criminal case, but lost the civil case. He aint the onliest one done that.



No genius ex FEDERAL cop. He was sued by the family of one of his alleged victims for being the cause of death and lost.




Way to go with not reading what Hillwill was on about. I expect nothing better from you and you have rarely let me down. For your enlightenment, Hillwill was on about OJ, as per the letters O J clearly stated by Ron.




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:48:37 PM   
Powergamz1


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Status: offline 		And how many states does that leave that don't have CCW carry?

(Hint: it's a trick question).
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ORIGINAL: Kana

No, the fact is that Zimmerman was licensed to carry, it's legal in the state he was in, and he was carrying according to all applicable laws and regulations.



Which is exactly the reason why FL is now added to my list of states for which I need a *really* good reason before I'd voluntarily visit [again].



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 5:48:55 PM   
tazzygirl


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And as you are well aware, there was a conversation about Zimmerman and civil rights charges, already in progress.

Way to swear to a lie, in the service of racism... a reputation you've worked hard to build.


And one about Z and OJ and defamation suits.

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