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I think the fact that Zimmerman lived in a middle class subdivision with no history of violence yet he routinely carried a weapon is indicative of the personality type Dershowitz was talking about.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I think the fact that Zimmerman lived in a middle class subdivision with no history of violence yet he routinely carried a weapon is indicative of the personality type Dershowitz was talking about.

Yeah, but he probably didn't spend 24/7 in that subdivision. He just may have had to go outside for things like groceries, work, etc. And when he did that, he could have possibly been exposed to less-than-desirable areas and people, hence the weapon. Not everyone with a CCW is a drooling, maniacal, rabid racist itching to cap a minority, you know.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Well the advantage of the Kel Tec 's small size is that it is much easier to have with you more often.

I suspect that whatever Zimmerman bought on bail (I can't remember the brand or model, as I'm not a gun guy, but the store told Zimmerman it was his best choice.... powerful, higher capacity).

As far as 'the one you are comfortable with', practice should help with that in almost any model.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

I was walking down the street recently.. behind an old grey-haired dude & he had a gun in a holster in the same spot Zimmy did, his lower back.. this dude had his jacket off and over his arm cuz it was really hot out.. I looked at the gun as I walked behind him and thought to myself- what is stopping someone from grabbing the gun from behind and shooting the dude in the back with his own gun? I wondered if that thought ever crossed the dude's mind.. seemed to me he was putting himself at more risk, not less..

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I was walking down the street recently.. behind an old grey-haired dude & he had a gun in a holster in the same spot Zimmy did, his lower back.. this dude had his jacket off and over his arm cuz it was really hot out.. I looked at the gun as I walked behind him and thought to myself- what is stopping someone from grabbing the gun from behind and shooting the dude in the back with his own gun? I wondered if that thought ever crossed the dude's mind.. seemed to me he was putting himself at more risk, not less..

Depends a lot on the holster. I carry mine the same way, and it's not as easy as you'd think to do that.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

I was walking down the street recently.. behind an old grey-haired dude & he had a gun in a holster in the same spot Zimmy did, his lower back.. this dude had his jacket off and over his arm cuz it was really hot out.. I looked at the gun as I walked behind him and thought to myself- what is stopping someone from grabbing the gun from behind and shooting the dude in the back with his own gun? I wondered if that thought ever crossed the dude's mind.. seemed to me he was putting himself at more risk, not less..

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Well the advantage of the Kel Tec 's small size is that it is much easier to have with you more often.

I suspect that whatever Zimmerman bought on bail (I can't remember the brand or model, as I'm not a gun guy, but the store told Zimmerman it was his best choice.... powerful, higher capacity).

As far as 'the one you are comfortable with', practice should help with that in almost any model.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

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ORIGINAL: tj444

I was walking down the street recently.. behind an old grey-haired dude & he had a gun in a holster in the same spot Zimmy did, his lower back.. this dude had his jacket off and over his arm cuz it was really hot out.. I looked at the gun as I walked behind him and thought to myself- what is stopping someone from grabbing the gun from behind and shooting the dude in the back with his own gun? I wondered if that thought ever crossed the dude's mind.. seemed to me he was putting himself at more risk, not less..

Depends a lot on the holster. I carry mine the same way, and it's not as easy as you'd think to do that.

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I was walking down the street recently.. behind an old grey-haired dude & he had a gun in a holster in the same spot Zimmy did, his lower back.. this dude had his jacket off and over his arm cuz it was really hot out.. I looked at the gun as I walked behind him and thought to myself- what is stopping someone from grabbing the gun from behind and shooting the dude in the back with his own gun? I wondered if that thought ever crossed the dude's mind.. seemed to me he was putting himself at more risk, not less..

Depends a lot on the holster. I carry mine the same way, and it's not as easy as you'd think to do that.

well that's interesting.. so if Martin was on top of Zimmy with his knees up at his armpits and getting a gun outta a holster like that isnt easy.. how did Zimmy do that? or did Zimmy already have the gun out before or during the fight? The prosecutors said today in an interview they believe Zimmy had the gun out before he said he did, which is why Martin was screaming.. Yes, the trial is over and whatever the truth is, Zimmy is free and clear.. (this time)..

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The effective handgun is the one you have with you at the time.

_____________________________The most effective handgun is the one you are comfortable with.
The best handgun is the one you have with you.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I think the fact that Zimmerman lived in a middle class subdivision with no history of violence yet he routinely carried a weapon is indicative of the personality type Dershowitz was talking about.

Yeah, but he probably didn't spend 24/7 in that subdivision. He just may have had to go outside for things like groceries, work, etc. And when he did that, he could have possibly been exposed to less-than-desirable areas and people, hence the weapon. Not everyone with a CCW is a drooling, maniacal, rabid racist itching to cap a minority, you know.

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I think the fact that Zimmerman lived in a middle class subdivision with no history of violence yet he routinely carried a weapon is indicative of the personality type Dershowitz was talking about.

Yeah, but he probably didn't spend 24/7 in that subdivision. He just may have had to go outside for things like groceries, work, entertainment. And when you do that, you just may have to expose yourself to less-than-desirable areas and people, hence the weapon.

yabbut I thought the story was that Zimmy got it for the less-than desirable dogs in his subdivision.. not cuz of less-than desirable people..

eta- Zimmy said he was on his way to shop at Target.. I thought all the less-than desirable people shopped at Walmart!

IIRC, he originally wanted to use pepper spray for those, but was advised to use a firearm. And getting a CCW just for dogs is ludicrous, in my opinion. I only carry because I live amongst the most dangerous animal on Earth-my fellow man. But you may have a point about Walmart there...

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I think the fact that Zimmerman lived in a middle class subdivision with no history of violence yet he routinely carried a weapon is indicative of the personality type Dershowitz was talking about.

Yeah, but he probably didn't spend 24/7 in that subdivision. He just may have had to go outside for things like groceries, work, etc. And when he did that, he could have possibly been exposed to less-than-desirable areas and people, hence the weapon. Not everyone with a CCW is a drooling, maniacal, rabid racist itching to cap a minority, you know.

But the evidence in this case shows Zimmerman was a cop wannabe. That is pretty much the definition of nutbar who shouldn't have a gun.

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Even some of the Non-biased news sources have covertly printed racist crap.

Here is what happened, a half white, half cuban 29 yea old shot a 100% African American and killed him

Seems that everyone jumped on the 1/2 white, did a quick genetic modification of Zimmerman, took out the cuban genetic information, and thus he is now 100% white, Praise be to Monsanto!

The whole race question is, in my opinion, manufactured by the media. In truth both the shooter and victim were minorities.

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I think the fact that Zimmerman lived in a middle class subdivision with no history of violence yet he routinely carried a weapon is indicative of the personality type Dershowitz was talking about.

Errmmm . . I didn't see any mention of personality types in the article. Only two unsupported propositions: 1) "elevates macho over the need to preserve life." 2) “I think these vigilante community groups have to be disarmed,” he said. “I don’t think Zimmerman should have been allowed to have a gun. “He should have been walking around with a walkie-talkie and calling the police,” he said.

Neither of these propositions is supported by evidence from the trial or by any sociological research put forward. Life is full of macho without guns. Plenty of it in sports, movies, and video games. Community groups do not carry guns as a rule. Zimmerman was not patroling; he was off to the store.

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The effective handgun is the one you have with you at the time.

_____________________________The most effective handgun is the one you are comfortable with.
The best handgun is the one you have with you.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I think the fact that Zimmerman lived in a middle class subdivision with no history of violence yet he routinely carried a weapon is indicative of the personality type Dershowitz was talking about.

Yeah, but he probably didn't spend 24/7 in that subdivision. He just may have had to go outside for things like groceries, work, etc. And when he did that, he could have possibly been exposed to less-than-desirable areas and people, hence the weapon. Not everyone with a CCW is a drooling, maniacal, rabid racist itching to cap a minority, you know.

But the evidence in this case shows Zimmerman was a cop wannabe. That is pretty much the definition of nutbar who shouldn't have a gun.

Huh? Wanting to be a Police Officer makes one a "nutbar."
Since when?

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And,as has been mentioned many times previously,Z bought a gun on police advice! They recommended he do it.
This ain't some wingnut.This is a cat who thought seriously about the decision,sought freaking law enforcement advice and feedback,and took it.
How many gun owners can say they did the same?

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ETA-Someone a while back asked a question or two for my crime scene friend.Here's the answers I received:
-Sweeping the neighborhood is usually the job of the lead detective and police.It's not the Crime Scene's job. Same thing for ID'ing the body. That's on the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.It's not a CSI responsibility.

That said, she did say that not sweeping quickly was a big error,albiet on the cops, not CSI, but that forensically,other than wrapping the body in plastic, the major error was not swabbing the hands for contact DNA at the scene-she says the rain wouldn't have contaminated the evidence despite what the CSI people down there claim. She also thinks they fucked up the PR aspects of the case pretty bad,gave themselves a black eye.
Hope that helps...