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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:49:12 PM

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I was walking down the street recently.. behind an old grey-haired dude & he had a gun in a holster in the same spot Zimmy did, his lower back.. this dude had his jacket off and over his arm cuz it was really hot out.. I looked at the gun as I walked behind him and thought to myself- what is stopping someone from grabbing the gun from behind and shooting the dude in the back with his own gun? I wondered if that thought ever crossed the dude's mind.. seemed to me he was putting himself at more risk, not less..

Depends a lot on the holster. I carry mine the same way, and it's not as easy as you'd think to do that.

If you can get it out I can get it out.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:49:46 PM

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Dont tell me what is or isnt relevant. He lied from day one as to why he had that gun, and you fellas ate all them lies up with a spoon... which I find rather funny.

I don't want to slog backwards, but who lied about what?

My next questions are as follows:

(1) Has Bama argued that cleaning your teeth with a gun is better than using a toothbrush?

(2) Are certain posters still arguing that this whole trial is distressing to white people, and that blacks playing the "race card" offends their sensibilities.

(3) Does it strike you that for some: sympathizing with Martin and his family might compromise their right to bear arms, hence they can't elicit any sympathy for the deceased or his family.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:50:36 PM

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Huh? Wanting to be a Police Officer makes one a "nutbar."

Absolutely.I wont say all cops are crooks, just the ones I have met.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:53:17 PM

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And back to square one. Zimmerman never said anything about Martin being black until directly asked that by the dispatcher. He also specified what *behavior* he thought was suspicious, which was later supplemented by the tox screen.

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right the fact that he called him a suspect means he meant more
guess he should have called him that upstanding young black gentleman get real

it means he already pre-judged him (incorrectly) based on not ever seeing him before (like new people dont move in or have temporary guests.. ).. and on the fact that the kid was young.. male.. and black.. in other words, for no real reason since the kid was not doing a dam thing illegal by walking down the street at 7:30pm minding his own business.. I went out today and walked down the street in the rain to the store.. does that make me a "suspect"? oh, well, today I didnt have a hoodie on.. guess thats why I didnt get shot..

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:53:58 PM

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this is just a what if situation for you to have an excuse for still claiming Zimmerman is guilty.

lol I can believe what I want to believe.. just cuz there wasnt enough evidence to convict him in court doesnt make him innocent any more than OJ was..

while I am sure Zimmy will be in trouble again in the future (karma can be a bitch), for now I am switching chanels to the Royal "baby watch".. a much happier activity than here..

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:54:19 PM

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I'm sorry did I forget to use my sarcasm font again.
The cops told him to get a gun idiot.

So if a cop told you to suck his cock you would do it, idiot?

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If the cops said get a gun don't you think they would know what it takes?

Cops havent the sense to pour piss out of a boot with a spigot on the toe and directions on the heel.

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A barking dog will be run off by a putter a vicious pit bull, in your dreams.
The guy who broke into my neighbors house and found his pit bull would most assuredly argue with you.
putter vs pitbull great idea.

For fucks sake a house cat can fuck up a pit bull...with a putter I will have him for lunch.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:55:07 PM

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You don't understand... Zimmerman was *supposed* to ignore all advice from the police, remember?

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I'm sorry did I forget to use my sarcasm font again.
The cops told him to get a gun idiot. If the cops said get a gun don't you think they would know what it takes?
A barking dog will be run off by a putter a vicious pit bull, in your dreams.
The guy who broke into my neighbors house and found his pit bull would most assuredly argue with you.
putter vs pitbull great idea.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:57:01 PM

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And you've made it painfully clear that you would rather believe lies that were disproven over and over, than the facts... *if those facts get in the way of lynching a brown skinned man*.

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this is just a what if situation for you to have an excuse for still claiming Zimmerman is guilty.

lol I can believe what I want to believe.. just cuz there wasnt enough evidence to convict him in court doesnt make him innocent any more than OJ was..

while I am sure Zimmy will be in trouble again in the future (karma can be a bitch), for now I am switching chanels to the Royal "baby watch".. a much happier activity than here..

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 6:57:04 PM

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Dont tell me what is or isnt relevant. He lied from day one as to why he had that gun, and you fellas ate all them lies up with a spoon... which I find rather funny.

I don't want to slog backwards, but who lied about what?

My next questions are as follows:

(1) Has Bama argued that cleaning your teeth with a gun is better than using a toothbrush?

(2) Are certain posters still arguing that this whole trial is distressing to white people, and that blacks playing the "race card" offends their sensibilities.

(3) Does it strike you that for some: sympathizing with Martin and his family might compromise their right to bear arms, hence they can't elicit any sympathy for the deceased or his family.

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Here is what I have learned about myself. I am a give my ground kind of person. My first move is to de-escalate conflict by apologizing, backing off, or doing whatever is necessary not to incite violence. This code has worked very well for me.

If you dont know what the discussion is about, then try reading it again.

I was talking to Bama about Z...

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:01:03 PM

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And you've made it painfully clear that you would rather believe lies that were disproven over and over, than the facts... *if those facts get in the way of lynching a brown skinned man*.

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You havent said it often enough

But you keep tossing out that race card, darlin

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:02:04 PM

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It strikes me that it is entirely possible to have great sympathy for the victim and his family, while still calling BS specifically on the array of lies flung around to deny his shooter the presumption of innocence, or the right to a fair trial.

What is truly disturbing (and IMO guarantees the next tragedy), is the number of people who want to attack that position, because it seems to threaten some agenda.

Why should sympathy mandate swearing that lies aren't lies?

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Dont tell me what is or isnt relevant. He lied from day one as to why he had that gun, and you fellas ate all them lies up with a spoon... which I find rather funny.

I don't want to slog backwards, but who lied about what?

My next questions are as follows:

(1) Has Bama argued that cleaning your teeth with a gun is better than using a toothbrush?

(2) Are certain posters still arguing that this whole trial is distressing to white people, and that blacks playing the "race card" offends their sensibilities.

(3) Does it strike you that for some: sympathizing with Martin and his family might compromise their right to bear arms, hence they can't elicit any sympathy for the deceased or his family.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:02:47 PM

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They were vacation resorts compared to Indian Reservations.
They were temporary.
They were inspired in part by the (misguided) thought to protect Japanese-Americans from reprisals and from the (overestimated) fear of sleeper agents.

And your point would be?
Do you have any validation for the moronic opinion that they were being protected?
Overestimated fear of sleeper agents...How many did the authorities find?

Anyone who could read English would see from the words misguided and overestimated that I was NOT agreeing with the actions
In case you were unaware of this misguided means mistaken, mistaken mean wrong.
Overestimated means blown out of proportion also meaning wrong.
They found maybe a half dozen all at Pearl
Which brings us to the question , You fucking moron wo you even think before you post?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:02:56 PM

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Actually it is. Zimmerman had been under a restraining order related to domestic violence, which is one of the few disqualifying conditions in Florida. That right there should have, in a sane state, required him to at least get investigated or examined before getting the permit. Now add on the fact that he was calling the police a lot, talk to cops about what that generally means.

Then you have the fact that he claimed to be NW but in a situation where he chose to act well beyond the bounds of NW he left his vehicle and pursued a person he believed to a criminal. Did he consider for one second that the "robber" he was tailing might be armed? That the police dispatcher had clearly said to not do so? He was emboldened because he was carrying. That is exactly the wrong sort to even own a firearm.

And you read all of this in Dershowitz's two simple comments? You have a very creative imagination.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:04:41 PM

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Why should sympathy mandate swearing that lies aren't lies?

They needed a gun to protect themselves from pittbulls... yet only Z carried.

Absence of any blood on T's hands despite Z claiming T was smothering him and pinching his nose closed.

Thats just two... hell, I could go on...

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:04:57 PM

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Ok talking to you like you are and intelligent human doesn't work.
Talking to you like the idiot you are doesn't work.
Beware of Kryptonite

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:05:11 PM

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Then you have the fact that he claimed to be NW but in a situation where he chose to act well beyond the bounds of NW he left his vehicle and pursued a person he believed to a criminal. Did he consider for one second that the "robber" he was tailing might be armed? That the police dispatcher had clearly said to not do so? He was emboldened because he was carrying. That is exactly the wrong sort to even own a firearm.

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that he was off duty that night so NW rules don't apply.
How many times do you have to be reminded that the dispatcher said he didn't need to follow, a far cry from don't follow.
The fact that the suspicious person, never referenced as a robber, burglar, or anything but suspicious, may have been armed is a good reason to be carrying.

You keep saying that over and over. First, I don't think NW people punch a clock. At least here they don't. It is just neighbors watching out for each other and knowing what to look for and whom to call. The moment he started profiling Martin he was acting in his NW role. Off duty? Bullshit.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:05:58 PM

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You keep saying that over and over. First, I don't think NW people punch a clock. At least here they don't. It is just neighbors watching out for each other and knowing what to look for and whom to call. The moment he started profiling Martin he was acting in his NW role. Off duty? Bullshit.

Exactly

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:07:01 PM

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Zimmerman's wife was in nursing. Maybe she has professional knowledge that people here lack.

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Something else no one can answer for me... anywhere... how did Z's nose swelling go down so fast?

Pinocchio`s nose always went down when he wasn`t lying.

The swelling went down substantially between the crime scene and the police station. He hadn't had time to visit his wife yet.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:07:35 PM

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And completely untrue. The mere fact that someone *files* for a restraining order in Florida does not take away your right to own a gun for life. The order has to actually be issued... the temporary one has no force after it expires. And that would of course show up automatically at FDLE, who would take appropriate action.

Again, that pesky US Constitution that so many people here would demand for themselves but are happy to go on record as denying for minorities like Zimmerman.

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Actually it is. Zimmerman had been under a restraining order related to domestic violence, which is one of the few disqualifying conditions in Florida. That right there should have, in a sane state, required him to at least get investigated or examined before getting the permit. Now add on the fact that he was calling the police a lot, talk to cops about what that generally means.

Then you have the fact that he claimed to be NW but in a situation where he chose to act well beyond the bounds of NW he left his vehicle and pursued a person he believed to a criminal. Did he consider for one second that the "robber" he was tailing might be armed? That the police dispatcher had clearly said to not do so? He was emboldened because he was carrying. That is exactly the wrong sort to even own a firearm.

And you read all of this in Dershowitz's two simple comments? You have a very creative imagination.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/15/2013 7:10:00 PM

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The earlier claim was that there was no swelling the next day, as somehow proving that he wasn't injured at all and the police faked the pictures... scroll back a few thousand posts.

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Zimmerman's wife was in nursing. Maybe she has professional knowledge that people here lack.

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Something else no one can answer for me... anywhere... how did Z's nose swelling go down so fast?

Pinocchio`s nose always went down when he wasn`t lying.

The swelling went down substantially between the crime scene and the police station. He hadn't had time to visit his wife yet.