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I do get it,completely. Z's injuries are consistent with TM being on top of Z,pounding his head in the pavement.The gunshot residue confirms it.The bullet angles confirm it.
This ain't Z's words.It's the analysis of one of the best forensic scientists in the world-one who said that forensically this wasn't even a complicated case.
I dunno about you,but if someone is on top of me,slamming my head into the pavement and I have a weapon,any weapon,knife,gun,stick,rock,whatever,I'm using it.
And they forfeited any right to bitch when they assaulted me.

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The real question is whether Z had cause to feel endangered for his life while getting his skull smacked into the pavement.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

I believe it was Zimmy running around looking for Martin and finding him..

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Ok talking to you like you are and intelligent human doesn't work.

You do not know how to speak intelligently that is why you cannot communicate

Why make personal attacks in every comment my man?

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Besides which,the nose swelling irrelevant, it's a complete red herring.The real question is whether Z had cause to feel endangered for his life while getting his skull smacked into the pavement.Di Miao hits this one out of the park,just crushes the prosecution...

You dont get it, do you... its not about just the nose.. its about the repeated lies.... hey, if you dont mind being lied too.. repeatedly... then by all means continue to support him.

I do get it,completely. Z's injuries are consistent with TM being on top of Z,pounding his head in the pavement.The gunshot residue confirms it.The bullet angles confirm it.
This ain't Z's words.It's the analysis of one of the best forensic scientists in the world-one who said that forensically this wasn't even a complicated case.
I dunno about you,but if someone is on top of me,slamming my head into the pavement and I have a weapon,any weapon,knife,gun,stick,rock,whatever,I'm using it.
And they forfeited any right to bitch when they assaulted me.

Now,as to who committed the initial assault,well,that's where the reasonable doubt comes in...

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I do get it,completely. Z's injuries are consistent with TM being on top of Z,pounding his head in the pavement.The gunshot residue confirms it.The bullet angles confirm it.
This ain't Z's words.It's the analysis of one of the best forensic scientists in the world-one who said that forensically this wasn't even a complicated case.
I dunno about you,but if someone is on top of me,slamming my head into the pavement and I have a weapon,any weapon,knife,gun,stick,rock,whatever,I'm using it.
And they forfeited any right to bitch when they assaulted me.

Ya know... I never once argued who shot who.. do why are you bringing that into the question? I am speaking to all the lies before and afterwards... those pesky little things you fellas seem so eager to ignore and dismiss... its those points people will remember.. and judge by.

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Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony there is.Surprisingly,this includes the victim.We'd all like to believe that the victim will have the story tied up all nice and neat in a bow. Sadly, that's often not the case. It's absolutely common that Z's story might not be 100% on point,or that it would alter somewhat over time as memory shifts.
That's why I brought up the physical evidence.And I don't recall ever doubting who shoot who, but rather stated that physics and ballistics verify Z's statement re the events of the night.
Hard scientific physical evidence should always trump eyewitness testimony. That was my point

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Ok talking to you like you are and intelligent human doesn't work.

You do not know how to speak intelligently that is why you cannot communicate

Why make personal attacks in every comment my man?

I am not "your man".
I point out ignorance and stupidity and return insults two for one

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Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony there is.Surprisingly,this includes the victim.We'd all like to believe that the victim will have the story tied up all nice and neat in a bow. Sadly, that's often not the case. It's absolutely common that Z's story might not be 100% on point,or that it would alter somewhat over time as memory shifts.
That's why I brought up the physical evidence.And I don't recall ever doubting who shoot who, but rather stated that physics and ballistics verify Z's statement re the events of the night.
Hard scientific physical evidence should always trump eyewitness testimony. That was my point

And a swollen nose that miraculously reduces significantly in size over a few hours is hard evidence.

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And again, Do Miao testified re this.
And again, from a legal perspective, the swollen nose is really irrelevant. What is critical is whether Z had cause to believe he was in danger while his head was being slammed into the ground.The only thing the nose might help is Z's contention that M struck first-a contention that cannot be proved or disproved. Thus,my position re reasonable doubt.

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Not an opinion the Japanese had pictures showing where the ships were docked taken from the mountains above the Harbor.

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None were found in California.

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And through all this you have missed the point that at no time did I say that the interment camps were a good thing.
That they were based on sound reasons.
Or that they were justified.

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stated that the reservations were far worse than the internment camps, using them as a reference merely to so how bad the reservations are. 
Not 4 years not even 40 but over 150 years,
Not out of a mistaken idea to protect the nation during a war but as a way to contain a defeated enemy.

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And not the systematic destruction not only of a way of life but of a people as well.
How can you not see the point.

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And instead insist upon obscenity and nitpicking to start an argument where there was no call for one.  

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Again you are mistaken you came into the middle of something thought you knew what was going on and jumped into a position that made you look stupid.

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And again, Do Miao testified re this.
And again, from a legal perspective, the swollen nose is really irrelevant. What is critical is whether Z had cause to believe he was in danger while his head was being slammed into the ground.The only thing the nose might help is Z's contention that M struck first-a contention that cannot be proved or disproved. Thus,my position re reasonable doubt.

And in the court of public opinion, its a huge factor. Or are you under the impression that the only court that matters is the legal one?

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Ya know... I never once argued who shot who.. do why are you bringing that into the question? I am speaking to all the lies before and afterwards... those pesky little things you fellas seem so eager to ignore and dismiss... its those points people will remember.. and judge by.

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I dunno about you,but if someone is on top of me,slamming my head into the pavement and I have a weapon,any weapon,knife,gun,stick,rock,whatever,I'm using it.
And they forfeited any right to bitch when they assaulted me.

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Now,as to who committed the initial assault,well,that's where the reasonable doubt comes in...

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Then you have the fact that he claimed to be NW but in a situation where he chose to act well beyond the bounds of NW he left his vehicle and pursued a person he believed to a criminal. Did he consider for one second that the "robber" he was tailing might be armed? That the police dispatcher had clearly said to not do so? He was emboldened because he was carrying. That is exactly the wrong sort to even own a firearm.

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that he was off duty that night so NW rules don't apply.
How many times do you have to be reminded that the dispatcher said he didn't need to follow,  a far cry from don't follow.
The fact that the suspicious person, never referenced as a robber, burglar, or anything but suspicious, may have been armed is a good reason to be carrying.