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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I think that there is still this law on the books in Cali that a woman is prohibited from wearing her bathrobe while driving a car.

You keep making all this Hullabaloo about the law, and how the jury upheld the law in place as it is, at this moment.

If you know anything of history, anything at all, then you might be acquainted with the instance of the law and actual justice only having coincidental coincidence at various points throughout history.

Even at this time.

"Law" is the most permeable of things in a society.

Considering a verifiably mentally unastable armed nut case's shooting of a teenager as this same society's intended implementation of "justice" is another matter entirely.

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Errr,I see this through a legal perspective because it's, you know, a criminal case.

So then, not a case of justice, nor any interest in that aspect whatsoever. Thanks for confirmation of my supposition.

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In fact,my main interest in it at this point is because I'm watching the justice system be subverted in a way that's incredible.

OK, but I thought that I had just heard input from you and others that the jury did the only right thing here. How does the jury rendering a verdict such as matches your expectations so perfectly constitute this justice system being "subverted"?

Are you alright, man?

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And where does the verifiable mental unstable come from?

From police records.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

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But you know perfectly well that Fargle was being sarcastic and using black and white as synonyms for inferior and superior because that is how racists tend to think.

Which, according to your theory that we are all racists (one with which I pretty much agree,purely BTW) means that we all think that way,including you.

This sweeping generalization, man, it's painting with too broad a brush. It lessens your argument. And defending fargle is a pipedream, the man is full scale looney tunes. It's like trying to defend Manson's sanity at a board hearing-just a truly hopeless cause :-)

Aside from my pointing out that Fargle is (indisputably) the biggest bigot on the planet on numerous occasions previously, the above post or its quote as proposed have nothing whatsoever to do with anything I myself ever said.

Your confuzzlement therein explains a lot.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Ah .. we've now located the entire source of the problem. You don't understand what 'evidence' means. Zimmerman breathing heavy might be evidence of being out of shape - but it is conjecture (guessing, wild-assed speculation) to call it pursuit.

Zimmerman admitted to pursuing Martin on the call to the police. He also admitted after he killed Martin that he didn't stop when the dispatcher told him to.

A following not pursuing

B if Zimmerman should have ignored police advice to carry a gun as you said how does ignoring advice not to follow make him a murderer?

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I think that there is still this law on the books in Cali that a woman is prohibited from wearing her bathrobe while driving a car.

You keep making all this Hullabaloo about the law, and how the jury upheld the law in place as it is, at this moment.

If you know anything of history, anything at all, then you might be acquainted with the instance of the law and actual justice only having coincidental coincidence at various points throughout history.

Even at this time.

"Law" is the most permeable of things in a society.

Considering a verifiably mentally unastable armed nut case's shooting of a teenager as this same society's intended implementation of "justice" is another matter entirely.

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Errr,I see this through a legal perspective because it's, you know, a criminal case.

So then, not a case of justice, nor any interest in that aspect whatsoever. Thanks for confirmation of my supposition.

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In fact,my main interest in it at this point is because I'm watching the justice system be subverted in a way that's incredible.

OK, but I thought that I had just heard input from you and others that the jury did the only right thing here. How does the jury rendering a verdict such as matches your expectations so perfectly constitute this justice system being "subverted"?

Are you alright, man?

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And where does the verifiable mental unstable come from?

From police records.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

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But you know perfectly well that Fargle was being sarcastic and using black and white as synonyms for inferior and superior because that is how racists tend to think.

Which, according to your theory that we are all racists (one with which I pretty much agree,purely BTW) means that we all think that way,including you.

This sweeping generalization, man, it's painting with too broad a brush. It lessens your argument. And defending fargle is a pipedream, the man is full scale looney tunes. It's like trying to defend Manson's sanity at a board hearing-just a truly hopeless cause :-)

Aside from my pointing out that Fargle is (indisputably) the biggest bigot on the planet on numerous occasions previously, the above post or its quote as proposed have nothing whatsoever to do with anything I myself ever said.

Your confuzzlement therein explains a lot.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

From police records.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

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OK, but I thought that I had just heard input from you and others that the jury did the only right thing here. How does the jury rendering a verdict such as matches your expectations so perfectly constitute this justice system being "subverted"?

Are you alright, man?

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From police records.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

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In other words I could allege that you were a lazy homosexual that like to wear ladies underwear and smoke pipes while eating corn in public.

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Again, the feds sent 45, count em, 45 agents to go through Z's life with a fine tooth comb. They came back empty handed.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


If you read the police record concerning GZ, and read the logs of his 46 calls to the police, and still think that this is someone we want to have as implementing "justice" in our society, then the fact that you concur with this explains a f*ck of a lot about what's seriously wrong with this society.

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Di Maio, a defense witness with all the reasons in the world to spend lots of time investigating,billed Z's team only $2,400, six hours at $400 per. When the prosecution asked him why so little time,he said that forensically it was a simple straightforward case.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


If you read the police record concerning GZ, and read the logs of his 46 calls to the police, and still think that this is someone we want to have as implementing "justice" in our society, then the fact that you concur with this explains a f*ck of a lot about what's seriously wrong with this society.

I never said I concur.You're putting words in my mouth. I said I saw no way any jury could find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.In fact, I think my exacts words were something like, "A second year law student could try this case. If a real lawyer tries it and can't raise reasonable doubt, they should be disbarred for incompetence."
It was open and shut. That ain't just my opinion.Di Maio, a defense witness with all the reasons in the world to spend lots of time investigating,billed Z's team only $2,400, six hours at $400 per. When the prosecution asked him why so little time,he said that forensically it was a simple straightforward case.
Most importantly, there was no evidence or substantial eyewitness to disprove Z's version of events. That was the critical thing. There was enough reasonable doubt to drive a squadron of Panzer tanks through.

And again, don't you think that if Z were that dangerous, the Feds report would have mentioned that little tidbit somewhere. Or are you suggesting that Obama and Holder conspired to withhold evidence that may have implicated Z? Please tell me so, because that would simply be too juicy for words...

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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

The sad thing about this and the racial tension it has caused is that, IF this was a kid of ANY race that he killed, people would still be up in arms. However, because it was a black kid, black people automatically become the enemy because we are angry that a killer got off. Regardless of the reasons Mr. Zimmerman gave for killing Mr. Martin, Mr. Zimmerman caused the altercation by not doing what he was told by the 911 operator and taking matters into his own hands. Putting race and motive aside it seems very few people are considering that maybe Mr. Martin felt threatened because he was being followed in the dark. Fortunately or unfortunately he wasn't armed and couldn't effectively protect himself from a vigilante with a gun.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I agree. I never thought the issue was one of race between the two.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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If you read the police record concerning GZ, and read the logs of his 46 calls to the police, and still think that this is someone we want to have as implementing "justice" in our society, then the fact that you concur with this explains a f*ck of a lot about what's seriously wrong with this society.

I never said I concur.You're putting words in my mouth. I said I saw no way any jury could find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.In fact, I think my exacts words were something like, "A second year law student could try this case. If a real lawyer tries it and can't raise reasonable doubt, they should be disbarred for incompetence."
It was open and shut. That ain't just my opinion.Di Maio, a defense witness with all the reasons in the world to spend lots of time investigating,billed Z's team only $2,400, six hours at $400 per. When the prosecution asked him why so little time,he said that forensically it was a simple straightforward case.
Most importantly, there was no evidence or substantial eyewitness to disprove Z's version of events. That was the critical thing. There was enough reasonable doubt to drive a squadron of Panzer tanks through.

And again, don't you think that if Z were that dangerous, the Feds report would have mentioned that little tidbit somewhere. Or are you suggesting that Obama and Holder conspired to withhold evidence that may have implicated Z? Please tell me so, because that would simply be too juicy for words...

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


If you read the police record concerning GZ, and read the logs of his 46 calls to the police, understand that he was kicked out of community college because of being such a danger to the other students, etc., and still think that this is someone we want to have as implementing "justice" in our society, then the fact that you concur with this explains a f*ck of a lot about what's seriously wrong with this society.

If you think that slapping his ex-fiance around on numerous occasions is such a minor matter, and actually promotes his interest as 'neighborhood watchman,' how about if I just slap you around, bitch?


Yeah, let's see how that works.

I'm hired now, right?

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Thanks for pounding your emphasis at every opportunity that you are incapable of understanding the distinction or difference between the law and actual justice.

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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

The sad thing about this and the racial tension it has caused is that, IF this was a kid of ANY race that he killed, people would still be up in arms. However, because it was a black kid, black people automatically become the enemy because we are angry that a killer got off. Regardless of the reasons Mr. Zimmerman gave for killing Mr. Martin, Mr. Zimmerman caused the altercation by not doing what he was told by the 911 operator and taking matters into his own hands. Putting race and motive aside it seems very few people are considering that maybe Mr. Martin felt threatened because he was being followed in the dark. Fortunately or unfortunately he wasn't armed and couldn't effectively protect himself from a vigilante with a gun.