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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 7:03:37 AM   
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it was this posts that did it for me, and no I wont shut up about it either marc, but then you really shouldnt have expected anything else from me eh?>
not uncommmon...means daily, hourly? weekly?? and you know they are there for a life at stake medical procedure how???


I never said anything about life at stake.

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Lasik eye stuff just south of the border is several hundred dollars less than here,, many forms of plastic surgery are not covered by province insurance, and is cheaper.... , that is known by the surgeons and they have referrals all the time from people who feel the need to change themselves.


Then that would explain many of the Canadian licence plates in at our doctor's offices. So what is everyone getting so riled up about? Nobody got bent out of shape over my mentioning Canadians in our malls and grocery stores.

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But your yah boo sucks to be poor or middle class *yesIm paraphrasing" is the reason your health care system is so reviled. you can only access it IF You have the money....
now because you feel bullied, i will refrain from posting again...unless you wanna argument:) Ill be in the argument hall down the corridor:)


You are paraphrasing badly. Again, I just asked a question (a verboten question apparently).

I am not felling bullied. If I was feeling bullied you would know it. I despise bullies with a passion. I have no tolerance for bullies.



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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 7:18:50 AM   
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(So Marc doesnt feel picked on)

I find it curious that so many are wandering the malls and tobacco shops considering most may only stay in the states 24 hours or less, meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US. Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD. That's a carton of smokes or an outfit. Or it could be they are roaming waiting for that Doctor's appointment they made weeks before hand.



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RE: Canadian's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 7:19:05 AM   
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Canadian's Version of David Letterman's Top 10

Well, they make some good points don't they?

"they"??? I'm an American expat living in Canada. The nature of my volunteer work leaves me talking to a lot of people. I haven't heard any Canadian express any of these sentiments.

The reality is that Canadians, as a rule, tend to be quite a bit more liberal than liberal Americans. At least they are in Victoria, BC.

But let's not let actual reality get in the way of a good political rant.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 7:36:41 AM   
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I find it curious that so many are wandering the malls and tobacco shops considering most may only stay in the states 24 hours or less,


Not true. Canadians can stay in the U.S. for six months before they need to get a Visa. The reverse is also true last time I checked.

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meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US. Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD. That's a carton of smokes or an outfit.


Despite American taxes and Canadian Duties it is still cheaper for Canadians to buy stuff over here. Have you ever gone shopping in Canada? The prices (especially after they add on that Goods and Services Tax) will make your jaw hit the ground. Also, I have been informed more than once by Canadian friends that there is a lot of corruption among the Canadian Border Guards. Just hand the right guard (you have to know what time of day and what lane they're working) a carton of cigs or a bottle of liquor and they'll gladly overlook those bundles of clothes in the back of your car.



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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 9:48:40 AM   
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Despite American taxes and Canadian Duties it is still cheaper for Canadians to buy stuff over here. Have you ever gone shopping in Canada?

I have. I live here. No, the prices do not make my "jaw hit the ground" and yes, they are higher. My own sense of this is that they are higher because there is a higher minimum wage (and I am ALL in favor of that) and added on to that it's automatically true that if I want something from an American company (say Apple) it's going to cost me less in America than anywhere else in the world.

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Also, I have been informed more than once by Canadian friends that there is a lot of corruption among the Canadian Border Guards. Just hand the right guard (you have to know what time of day and what lane they're working) a carton of cigs or a bottle of liquor and they'll gladly overlook those bundles of clothes in the back of your car.

My general sense from crossing the border lots of times is that they really have better things to do then find $20 in duty. Honestly I haven't been harassed about duty in either direction. In one case (heading into the US) they didn't even care about an entire UHaul full of stuff. My sense is they are looking for people carrying on covert business importing. They aren't really looking to find out who's hidden an ipad in their glove compartment.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 9:54:09 AM   
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I find it curious that so many are wandering the malls and tobacco shops considering most may only stay in the states 24 hours or less, meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US. Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD. That's a carton of smokes or an outfit. Or it could be they are roaming waiting for that Doctor's appointment they made weeks before hand.

This, of course, is entirely made up bullshit and wrong on every single count. The last statement is utterly hilarious. But hey, what would I know about it right?

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RE: Canadian's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 10:34:00 AM   
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Canadian's Version of David Letterman's Top 10

Well, they make some good points don't they?

"they"??? I'm an American expat living in Canada. The nature of my volunteer work leaves me talking to a lot of people. I haven't heard any Canadian express any of these sentiments.

The reality is that Canadians, as a rule, tend to be quite a bit more liberal than liberal Americans. At least they are in Victoria, BC.

But let's not let actual reality get in the way of a good political rant.



Jeff, again this was supposed to be a fun thread, not a political rant.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 12:10:41 PM   
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I have. I live here. No, the prices do not make my "jaw hit the ground" and yes, they are higher. My own sense of this is that they are higher because there is a higher minimum wage (and I am ALL in favor of that) and added on to that it's automatically true that if I want something from an American company (say Apple) it's going to cost me less in America than anywhere else in the world.


If you're used to the higher prices then you're used to them but the difference still amazes me.

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My general sense from crossing the border lots of times is that they really have better things to do then find $20 in duty. Honestly I haven't been harassed about duty in either direction. In one case (heading into the US) they didn't even care about an entire UHaul full of stuff. My sense is they are looking for people carrying on covert business importing. They aren't really looking to find out who's hidden an ipad in their glove compartment.


I'm not talking about people concealing one or two items that they should have declared... yeah, nobody gives a shit about the mince meat pie I've got in the cooler. I'm talking about the people who come back with twenty ipods, a dozen pair of pants or fifty cartons of cigarettes. Hell there was a story about a year or so ago about some Canadian cops busted for smuggling cheese into Canada from the U.S. to sell to Canadian restaurants and pizza joints. I don't doubt that there is a lot of smuggling that goes both ways across the border but the sense I get is that most of it is from the U.S. into Canada these days. The one big exception may be marijuana. Hardly a month goes by without hearing about a pot bust at the border and it is always coming from Canada into the United States.



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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 1:57:01 PM   
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I find it curious that so many are wandering the malls and tobacco shops considering most may only stay in the states 24 hours or less, meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US. Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD. That's a carton of smokes or an outfit. Or it could be they are roaming waiting for that Doctor's appointment they made weeks before hand.

This, of course, is entirely made up bullshit and wrong on every single count. The last statement is utterly hilarious. But hey, what would I know about it right?


It is?

hmmm....

The length of your absence from Canada determines the amount of goods you can bring back, without paying any duties.

Increased traveller personal exemption limits effective June 1, 2012

Granted, the 50 was an old link, I didnt check the amount. However, the time period was on the money.... unless your own government links are lying.

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/mobile/rrc-rrp-4-eng.html

I really wish you fellas would read a bit more closely instead of assuming you know I am lying.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 2:07:00 PM   
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I really wish you fellas would read a bit more closely instead of assuming you know I am lying.


I hope you're not including me in that plural (fellas) because I did not accuse you of lying. I have not accused you of anything. I merely pointed out that your assertion was incorrect. It was not clear that you meant length of time affecting taxes owed.


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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 2:23:23 PM   
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stay in the states 24 hours or less, meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US. Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD. That's a carton of smokes or an outfit.


And, since the laws changed in 2012 from the 50 to 200.....

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 4:35:03 PM   
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Despite American taxes and Canadian Duties it is still cheaper for Canadians to buy stuff over here. Have you ever gone shopping in Canada?

I have. I live here. No, the prices do not make my "jaw hit the ground" and yes, they are higher. My own sense of this is that they are higher because there is a higher minimum wage (and I am ALL in favor of that) and added on to that it's automatically true that if I want something from an American company (say Apple) it's going to cost me less in America than anywhere else in the world.

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Also, I have been informed more than once by Canadian friends that there is a lot of corruption among the Canadian Border Guards. Just hand the right guard (you have to know what time of day and what lane they're working) a carton of cigs or a bottle of liquor and they'll gladly overlook those bundles of clothes in the back of your car.

My general sense from crossing the border lots of times is that they really have better things to do then find $20 in duty. Honestly I haven't been harassed about duty in either direction. In one case (heading into the US) they didn't even care about an entire UHaul full of stuff. My sense is they are looking for people carrying on covert business importing. They aren't really looking to find out who's hidden an ipad in their glove compartment.

I have never seen any corruption at the border, not on either side (where I used to cross into Canada there are (viewable on the web & recording) cameras on the booths so what border agent would be stupid enough to take bribes on camera? and how the heck do they get their "haul" outta that tiny booth every day without someone noticing they got a big bag filled like Santa?.. who would be stupid enough to risk their job for that?

As far as comparing US prices with Canadian prices.. the dollar exchange rate has a lot to do with the cost for Canadians buying stuff in the US (or goods shipped into Canada from the US).. when the Canadian dollar is low like it was several years ago (it been as low as 70cents in the last 10 years), the US border cities were suffering badly cuz there were no Canadians at the shopping centers buying stuff.. I mean.. its not like Canada doesnt have Walmarts or anything..

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 6:14:17 PM   
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I really wish you fellas would read a bit more closely instead of assuming you know I am lying.

OK, in slow motion...

most may only stay in the states 24 hours or less
Huh? Guest visa is 6 months both directions. Dear lord don't make me link even the simple stuff. Nevermind - linkage If what you meant was "56% of Canadian visitors were on day trips to the United States" as opposed to the other version of "may" then see below...

meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US
Ok, ignoring the error above, do you see some issue with this? If I'm doing a day trip into Seattle to buy a bunch of electronics why should I be able to avoid Canadian taxes? For longer stays that begin to sound like "vacations" they open up considerably on the exemptions.

Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD
$200 CAD - already noted by you

Or it could be they are roaming waiting for that Doctor's appointment they made weeks before hand.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this but in general Canadians are quite thankful they don't have the US's health care system and aren't exactly lining up in droves to go pay ridiculous sums of money for moderately good service.

So... I reiterate... not a single aspect of the post was correct unless I go with "may" = "maybe they do, maybe they don't travel for less than a day". That was correct at least as of 2010 but still begs the question of why you think Canadian taxes which fund, among other things, that really swell health care system should be so easily avoidable. That last bit about "roaming" was what exactly? Any possible interpretation I can come up for it is ludicrous but maybe I'm missing something?

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 6:20:42 PM   
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How could it not be clearer?

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stay in the states 24 hours or less, meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US. Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD. That's a carton of smokes or an outfit.


And, since the laws changed in 2012 from the 50 to 200.....

Yep when you fly back to canada, you have to filll out a form stating how long you have been gone and what you came back with, the allowance WAS more the longer you have been away. I havent done a day trip to the US, gas costs too much to make it worth it, but having done the trip three times this year by coach, customs both ways, they are not worried about a single carton of smokes or a litre of boooze here n there....guns, drugs, humans, over stupidity with alcohol or more than five cartons yeah...and security is monitored 24/7. Ive seen more than one "illegal" be detained because they didnt have a return ticket to the US.



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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 6:24:06 PM   
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most may only stay in the states 24 hours or less
Huh? Guest visa is 6 months both directions. Dear lord don't make me link even the simple stuff. Nevermind - linkage If what you meant was "56% of Canadian visitors were on day trips to the United States" as opposed to the other version of "may" then see below...


I was speaking about those who are hoping over the boarder to see a physician. Or do you know they stay longer?



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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 6:25:41 PM   
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How could it not be clearer?

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stay in the states 24 hours or less, meaning they have to pay taxes on anything they buy in the US. Less than 48 hours, its anything over 50 CAD. That's a carton of smokes or an outfit.


And, since the laws changed in 2012 from the 50 to 200.....

Yep when you fly back to canada, you have to filll out a form stating how long you have been gone and what you came back with, the allowance WAS more the longer you have been away. I havent done a day trip to the US, gas costs too much to make it worth it, but having done the trip three times this year by coach, customs both ways, they are not worried about a single carton of smokes or a litre of boooze here n there....guns, drugs, humans, over stupidity with alcohol or more than five cartons yeah...and security is monitored 24/7. Ive seen more than one "illegal" be detained because they didnt have a return ticket to the US.




How many drive it? The way Marc was sounding to me he was talking about those who drove over the border to see a physician... wouldnt those be simply a day trip?

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 6:33:23 PM   
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Im guessing that is dependant on where they are coming from.
From toronto to windsor/detroit, its a five hour drive, from toronto to niagara/buffalo its two hours
ontario is a huge place, n I have no idea about crossings further north,
so it could be more as well as the reason for the visit....
I do know its not poor people doin it willy nilly

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 6:36:48 PM   
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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 9:30:41 PM   
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I was speaking about those who are hoping over the boarder to see a physician. Or do you know they stay longer?

*laughs out loud* Oh THOSE.

Decent research sees that number as negligible. In the lurid imaginings of a recent right-wing and heavily biased "think tank" the number was 46k. That's 0.15%. And that doesn't take into account the fact that some people just happen to be in the states when the issue strikes (business travelers and vacationers).

Does it happen? Sure. But in most cases it'll be true that a Canadian will receive better care here for nothing. Why would they want to go to the US? Don't even start with "long wait times".

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 9:50:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wont start with the long term waits... lol... I know they arent any shorter than out own. I waited 5 months to see an orthopedic surgeon.

The way many make it sound, they are insisting they see cars in parking lots and malls and at doctors' offices with Canadian tags... especially after being asked how they know where those people they claim are from. I would think if someone was close enough to drive, they might stay over night. If they are flying in, they would be using rentals... cant know where they are from, not all of them.

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