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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 10:41:56 PM

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The way many make it sound, they are insisting they see cars in parking lots and malls and at doctors' offices with Canadian tags... especially after being asked how they know where those people they claim are from. I would think if someone was close enough to drive, they might stay over night. If they are flying in, they would be using rentals... cant know where they are from, not all of them.

Well, you of course don't know me from Adam either. So for what it's worth and given my experience is limited to Victoria not all of Canada the concept that my neighbors here would willingly go there for medical care is just a non-starter barring specific circumstances mandating that. The obvious question is why? I get great care here for $135/mo for both Carol and I (no vision, no dental - that we pay supplemental insurance for).

In general there are myths in the US regarding Canadian health care. Those myths largely like to talk about inadequate numbers of doctors resulting in excessive wait times. BC, it was my understanding, has some of the worst wait times in Canada (didn't look that up, dragging it from memory from a newspaper article). Yet what I observe with my own family is prompt and ready access to health care. Among my friends (many of whom are volunteers so older) stuff that needs attention now gets attention now. Lesser things are prioritized accordingly. I'm sure it happens but I've honestly never seen anything that I registered as an unreasonable wait time and lots of folks I hang with are in the 60+ age range.

I have to admit that living here is a real eye opener. I watch what the American politicians claim on TV about "socialist health care" and I live the reality of it daily. The reality is I wouldn't willing go back to US health care... not even close... not even if someone paid me to make up the difference in price.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 10:46:35 PM

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DEEP POCKETS

The health care industry has spent more than $700 million to lobby Congress and U.S. agencies from 2010 onward, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Companies, executives and employees have poured millions more into the coffers of House and Senate members up for re-election in 2014.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/24/us-usa-healthcare-lobbying-idUSBRE92N0B620130324

Any wonder why US politicians are the way they are?

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 10:52:50 PM

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Well, it's only $700,000,000. That's a drop in the bucket of all the proceeds they make with their illegal drug trade. To be clear, our politicians take bribes from known criminals (unless all those presciption pills causing an epidemic in the US are actually being made by mexican drug cartels despite the labels on the bottles). I figure that $700,000,000 also explains why "The War On Drugs" stops short of Merck's corporate lobby.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 10:58:03 PM

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I dont know if this still occurs or not (I suspect it does) but apparently some go to the US to find out the sex of the baby.. if their culture (usually east-Indian or Asian) is such that a male child is prefered, I recall reading about them crossing the border to go for ultrasounds to find that out..

"In an effort to reduce sex-selective abortions in British Columbia, the BC College of Physicians and Surgeons has barred doctors from divulging the gender of an unborn child younger than 24 weeks to parents, unless there are medical reasons to do so."
Bill C-510 on Coerced Abortions
One recent federal private member’s bill would have offered legal protection to women being coerced to have an abortion because of the gender of the child. Bill C-510 proposed an amendment to the Criminal Code of Canada, section 264.2, making it a criminal offense to coerce a woman to procure or attempt to procure an abortion for herself.

http://files.efc-canada.net/si/Gendercide/Gendercide%20and%20Sex-Selection,%20Website.pdf

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 11:02:43 PM

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I dont know if this still occurs or not (I suspect it does) but apparently some go to the US to find out the sex of the baby.. if their culture (usually east-Indian or Asian) is such that a male child is prefered, I recall reading about them crossing the border to go for ultrasounds to find that out..

*nods* I have no doubt that there are oddball reasons that this happens. But the image of hoards of Canadians flocking to American health care is just non-sensical. Most of the people I've talked to see American health care as both lower quality and more expensive not to mention brutally heartless.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/18/2013 11:14:32 PM

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*nods* I have no doubt that there are oddball reasons that this happens. But the image of hoards of Canadians flocking to American health care is just non-sensical. Most of the people I've talked to see American health care as both lower quality and more expensive not to mention brutally heartless.

I totally agree with you.. even tho there are huge east indian and asian communities in BC & of that population of how many are preggers and wanting a specific sex baby & wanting secret US ultrasounds.. that is still (imo) not enough to qualify as "hoards".. lol I can not think of many reasons to go south that would create these "hoards"...

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:03:02 AM

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The way many make it sound, they are insisting they see cars in parking lots and malls and at doctors' offices with Canadian tags... especially after being asked how they know where those people they claim are from. I would think if someone was close enough to drive, they might stay over night. If they are flying in, they would be using rentals... cant know where they are from, not all of them.

People insist that we see Canadian licence plates in our places of business because we do see Canadian licence plates in our places of business... just as Canadians see plenty of American licence plates in their businesses. Bear in mind that we are talking about border communities here. From where I sit as I write this I could be at the border in twenty minutes. Baring unforeseen circumstances, I could be across the border in five to twenty minutes. So, I could drive to Canada, have lunch, and be back at my desk here in under two hours. People cross the border for a matter of hours all the time... to have lunch with friends, to attend sporting events or visit amusement parks or go to concerts. Many Americans visit the Canadian strip bars which allow full nudity (the New York side only allows toplessness). The difference in the legal drinking has made visiting Canada on your nineteenth birthday practically a right of passage around here.

I know the thought of Canadians traveling to the United States upsets a lot of people because it contradicts their bigoted notion of Canada being superior to America but the fact of the matter is - not every Canadian is a bigoted ideologue. They are just people, encompassing the full range of virtues and vices that any other people around the world have. Like any normal people that includes interacting with their neighbors which, for millions of Canadians happens to be Americans.

If that upsets some people then so be it... millions of people on both sides of the border don't give a shit.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:23:08 AM

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I know the thought of Canadians traveling to the United States upsets a lot of people because it contradicts their bigoted notion of Canada being superior to America but the fact of the matter is - not every Canadian is a bigoted ideologue. They are just people, encompassing the full range of virtues and vices that any other people around the world have. Like any normal people that includes interacting with their neighbors which, for millions of Canadians happens to be Americans.

ROFL

You are starting to sound like Powergamz! Seeing bigots everywhere.. gesh

No one is upset with Canadian's coming here to shop or see physicians. But its just your attitude that I was addressing. I can go to Myrtle Beach if I want to go to a strip club for full nudity.. since they are BYOB, age requirement is 18.

All anyone is pointing out is that the US isnt the "health care mecca" most people want to make it out to be.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:31:09 AM

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I dont know if this still occurs or not (I suspect it does) but apparently some go to the US to find out the sex of the baby.. if their culture (usually east-Indian or Asian) is such that a male child is prefered, I recall reading about them crossing the border to go for ultrasounds to find that out..

Yeah and some come here not just to find out the gender of the child but to engage in the most horrid form of gender discrimination

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:36:44 AM

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Uh huh.. Hoodie man, you might want to get educated by someone other than a religious group...

http://protectourgirls.com/coalition/

Evidence that U.S. parents DO NOT prefer sons over daughters:
Adoption statistics. U.S. parents request girls far more often than boys, even where more boys than girls are waiting to be adopted.
Abortion statistics. There is no evidence that females are aborted more often than males in the United States. The birth ratio of girls has actually increased slightly since the legalization of abortion.
Sex Selection statistics. The majority of Americans currently attempting to use sex selection are hoping to conceive a girl.

http://www.in-gender.com/XYU/Gender-Preference/

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:54:38 AM

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OMG the irony

Indeed... I waited 5 months to see a surgeon... but the yuppies cant wait "a few weeks"?

I feel so sorry for you, Lucy, having to wait all that extra time for services when Americans can go right in and see the physician of their choice... oops... my 5 month wait sorta proves that theory wrong.

I feel sorry for both of you if you truly believe that 2 examples tell us anything about either system.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:55:41 AM

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The majority of Americans currently attempting to use sex selection are hoping to conceive a girl.

that is very understandable.. boys are so.. smelly...

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:56:46 AM

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I know the thought of Canadians traveling to the United States upsets a lot of people because it contradicts their bigoted notion of Canada being superior to America but the fact of the matter is - not every Canadian is a bigoted ideologue.

I have to admit, the only ways that the Canadians I have talked to think Canada is superior to the US are pretty pragmatic and I tend to agree. Largely they center around two areas, "military policy" and "social safety net". Other than that, the Canadians I talk to LIKE americans and america. They tend to have lots of American friends. They tend to know a fair degree about America. ROFL, it's the American expats who.. well.. are more vocal about how much they like Canada.

As you say, the "license plate" thing is an artifact of having so many border communities where "popping over the border" in either direction for this or that is pretty common. That's where that 56% day trip number comes from in my estimate.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 7:57:58 AM

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OMG the irony

Indeed... I waited 5 months to see a surgeon... but the yuppies cant wait "a few weeks"?

I feel so sorry for you, Lucy, having to wait all that extra time for services when Americans can go right in and see the physician of their choice... oops... my 5 month wait sorta proves that theory wrong.

I feel sorry for both of you if you truly believe that 2 examples tell us anything about either system.

The wait times and such have been hashed out before... if you truly want to know, go look

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RE: Canadian's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 8:03:09 AM

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Canadian's Version of David Letterman's Top 10

Well, they make some good points don't they?

"they"??? I'm an American expat living in Canada. The nature of my volunteer work leaves me talking to a lot of people. I haven't heard any Canadian express any of these sentiments.

The reality is that Canadians, as a rule, tend to be quite a bit more liberal than liberal Americans. At least they are in Victoria, BC.

But let's not let actual reality get in the way of a good political rant.

Jeff, again this was supposed to be a fun thread, not a political rant.

Next time get someone on the left to start the thread for you. I am guessing the replies would have a different tone to them.

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RE: Canadian's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 8:05:24 AM

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Naaa.. I would have outed someone on the left who posted that piece of garbage as well. Wasnt so much the information contained, it was the fact that I find it extremely dishonorable to not give credit where credit is due.

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RE: Canadian's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 8:05:54 AM

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Next time get someone on the left to start the thread for you. I am guessing the replies would have a different tone to them.

The fact that I missed the humor wasn't caused by my political alignment. I am neither left or right in the American sense of things. Remember, I'm the guy that'd try Obama for treason and send Bush to the Hague if I could.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 8:11:00 AM

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ROFL

Doesn't take much to get you squealing, does it?

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You are starting to sound like Powergamz! Seeing bigots everywhere.. gesh

I have yet to meet the person (myself included) who isn't bigoted about somebody, somewhere. It is a part of human nature. Bigotry isn't just about race, nationality, or religion. It can be about anything from accents (why do people sound like they are imitating Arnold Schwarzenegger when they want to imitate stupidity) to... well... something that starts with Z that I can't think of now but probably will two minutes after the EDIT button disappears. To be unbigoted is an act of conscious will that requires overcoming instinct with reason... not an easy thing to do on a consistent basis.

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No one is upset with Canadian's coming here to shop or see physicians. But its just your attitude that I was addressing.

What's wrong with my attitude?

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I can go to Myrtle Beach if I want to go to a strip club for full nudity.. since they are BYOB, age requirement is 18.

I'm not sure what your point is. Myrtle Beach (South Carolina, I'm presuming) is a bit of a drive from where I live. Canada is a hell of a lot closer. Of course, I am well past 21 so the point is moot anyway. Today I go to Canada for Shakespeare, not pussy.

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All anyone is pointing out is that the US isnt the "health care mecca" most people want to make it out to be.

I never claimed that it was. People just read my first post on this thread and made presumptions. Then, when I speculated on the reasons... holy shit. Sometimes the presumptions that people make on these boards (which I'm sure mirrors society at large) is fascinating. I remain quite convinced that what I wrote contradicted some people's world views (in their minds) and, well, we just can't have that... and that's when all the studies and statistics start coming out.

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RE: John Hawkin's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 8:11:54 AM

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Uh huh.. Hoodie man, you might want to get educated by someone other than a religious group...

http://protectourgirls.com/coalition/

Evidence that U.S. parents DO NOT prefer sons over daughters:
Adoption statistics. U.S. parents request girls far more often than boys, even where more boys than girls are waiting to be adopted.
Abortion statistics. There is no evidence that females are aborted more often than males in the United States. The birth ratio of girls has actually increased slightly since the legalization of abortion.
Sex Selection statistics. The majority of Americans currently attempting to use sex selection are hoping to conceive a girl.

http://www.in-gender.com/XYU/Gender-Preference/

Um, butt girl, where did he say americans were doing this? US parents would not "come here" they would already be here.

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RE: Canadian's top ten list about the U.S. - 7/19/2013 8:16:36 AM

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Next time get someone on the left to start the thread for you. I am guessing the replies would have a different tone to them.

The fact that I missed the humor wasn't caused by my political alignment. I am neither left or right in the American sense of things. Remember, I'm the guy that'd try Obama for treason and send Bush to the Hague if I could.

You never entered my mind when I typed that. From what I have seen your posts, you don't take sides and are just as quick to go after someone on the left as well as the right.

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