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Termyn8or -> RE: Who are more free... Americans or Europeans (7/23/2013 8:43:40 PM)
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Not to rehash a previous argument, but to rehash a previous argument, Europeans were more free before the EU. Someone said the EU is nothing but a trade agreement but that is bullshit.
The EU is fighting with a couple of countries about GMO crops. Trade agreements do not try to affect national health concerns. Trade agreements do not have a constitution. Trade agreements do not seek to overrule a nation's courts. There are many examples for which I haven't the time.
Entering into the EU was the "dumbest" thing those countries have done since taking away people's guns, and they are going to be sorry sooner or later. It is not the government's job in any country to chip away at its sovereignty, and all these unions and agreements do exatly that. Look what they've done for the US, the US is fucking finished. There will be no recovery because the tools for recovery are long gone. Trade agreements exposed our thriving markets to third world economies which is NOT fair. Standards of living were not equal, but so the fuck what ? People HERE built that standard of living and it was a fucking crime for the government to allow big business to destroy it.
Am I an isolationist ? Am I a xenophobe ? Well if this kind of common sense if your definition of those words than I guess I am. Most other countries do not let this happen. The US does, in fact it encourages it.
Gun laws, OK Europe generally doesn't let the sheeple have guns. Hey, you know something ? It accomplished nothing. It's not like they had a fucking crime wave and it just stopped the day they called in all the guns. People call for gun laws in the US because of the crime, not realizing that I can MAKE a gun. I know several other people who also can. We can also make nastier weapons, but few have the range.
But when you say we are free to have guns you generally say that felons should not have them right ? Well in one state getting a blowjob might just become a felony. So think hard before you start throwing restrictions around. And also, European governments have learned not to piss off the People too much because guns are not the only way to destroy a country.
The US did not bring down the Soviet union. Not by a longshot. Almost every Citizen there was "part of the problem". They said "They pretend to pay us so we pretend to work". Do you understand what that means ? Slower production, many defects, in fact insidious defects whenever possible. Destroyed from within. And now they like their government ther alot better and are going to kick the shit out of the US when WW3 starts. They have a thriving economy, natural resurces and an educated, willing and able workforce. They also have a debt that is less than one tenth of their GDP while the US has to borrow or print money to pay the electric bill. The US has to buy components for weapons from China and shit, also on credit. The US better make nice or else it is going to be a bitch to maintain its satellites, which incidentally are important in a war. China has their own satellites now and an independent GPS system. They also practiced shooting one of their old satellites just for the hell of it. I would say shot down but obviously they do not fall down.
Anyway, of those who claim the US is so free, have you ever tried to BUILD anything ? Have you ever tried to start a legit business ? In each case you cannot take two fucking steps without someone holding their hand out for more money.
Want to know how Romney balanced the budget in Massachusettes ? He had them just about triple every fee and charge for just about everything. I shudder to think what license plates cost there. The only ONE thing that didn't go up was state income tax. The budget was balanced alright, at the expense of the people of course. Then he instituted Romney care which is the same as Obamacare and threw the state back into debt. So now they have the higher fees for everything, and debt as well. Good going. no wonder he didn't carry that state - they know him.
And there is nothing at all the People can do about any of this in the US. Even though OWS may have been assholes, look how they were treated. The guy who ran overthrow.com is in the joint now. He did not advocate revolution or anything of the sort. He told people the truth. The government said that they figure some of the people who read overthrow.com could be violent, so that makes him responsible, EVEN THOUGH NOBODY DID ANYTHING. Freedom of speech ? You bitch because you are not allowed to criticise Jews ? We apparently are not allowed to criticise the government, period. In fact if you look at the PATRIOT act there are a few scary things in there as well. Soon it might be illegal to threaten to vote for a candidate's opponent. Read the fucking PATRIOT act very closely. If you do that to influence their decision on something...........watch out. Especially if you threaten to tell people not to vote for them. It's all in there.
The title of this thread needs to be changed. It is not who is MORE free, it is who is LESS free. People in this country who try to tell us how good we have it compare our education system with Zimbabwe, our economy with Bangladesh, our infant mortality rate with Rwanda, our human rights with North Korea, our Women's rights with Islamic countries.
Could they find any comparisons that would make us look any better ? Can they explain how come people in other countries can read their diplomas and know two more languages on top of that one, how they do not lose their house when they get sick, how their food and drugs are safer and more healthy because their government officials have not been bought and paid for by the likes of ADM, Monsanto, Pfizer and others ? In China their head of the equivalent of the FDA took one little bribe and OKed a drug that killed seven people. THEY EXECUTED HIM. In the US more than half of the people who are supposed to regulate the druig companies also work for the drug companies. It has been likened to a revolving door. Can you say "Conflict of interest" ?
And now Eric Holder just completed an investigation of Eric Holder and guess what - he determined he didn't do anything wrong.
And we can't do a fucking thing about it. Maybe you can't do a fucking thing about some shit in Europe but there is a hell of alot less to do any fucking thing about except that fucking insidious treason called the EU. I suggest you take to the streets and protest and GTFO of that while you still can.
And the one MAJOR thing that makes the US less free is the lack of a proportional democracy. The losers of the elections over there are not relegated to selling cars with ex-football players, they get SEATS. A VOICE. Votes in parliment. It is not all or nothing like it is here.
You tell me. Tell me how wrong I am, please.
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ETA : Gay marriage is a BIG issue when it comes to freedom ?
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