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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/21/2013 4:16:58 PM   
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Paleo is pretty simple: animal proteins (seafood, beef, pork, lamb, poultry, eggs), fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds. No legumes (includes peanuts) or grains (corn is a grain). The best oils to use are coconut and/or olive oil (no canola as it is predominantly a GMO crop). Eat real foods until satisfied (get to know your hunger signals), get some exercise every day (build up slowly) preferably weight training(start with body weight) and flexibility over cardio (though 10-15 minutes of walking a day at a slow pace is acceptable). No added sugar (pure maple syrup and raw honey are the exceptions and only very small amounts) and no artificial sweeteners.

Your plate of food should be approximately 1/2 filled with vegetables with the other 1/2 being healthy fats (avocado, nuts) and protein. Moderate amounts of fruit (1-2 servings). Breakfast might be some spinach and mushrooms sauteed in coconut oil with scrambled eggs (like an omelet) and an orange. Lunch might be a salad with some grilled chicken on it. Dinner could be 1-2 cups of spaghetti squash with some homemade marinara and maybe some homemade meatballs or some shrimp. (just to give you an idea).

I''m currently doing paleo and have lost over 60 lbs (and am still losing). 1-2 squares of GOOD dark chocolate might be dessert. I have no fear of using a splash of cream in my coffee. I'll often use frozen fruit as ice for seltzer (and then eat the fruit when it has defrosted for a snack).

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/21/2013 5:09:12 PM   
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i second not buying the books, you can find a lot of that stuff from libraries and free on the net.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/21/2013 5:26:48 PM   
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the packets are full of sugar and sodium

Thanks, lw! That's good to know.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/21/2013 5:39:53 PM   
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Thanks LW...I have been wanting to get her off of those packets so bad (you can see the sugar when you're making it). She knows I have been label reading lately so I will point it out to her about the sodium as well (she has HBP).

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/21/2013 6:31:04 PM   
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You say that walking hurts, there's no easily accessible swimming pool and your mother has only 5lb weights. Try finding some form of exercise that wouldn't hurt your joints and wouldn't require any equipment. (Push-ups/pull-ups?) You don't need a super-expensive weight set, either. Try to find one on craigslist (you can post a request in the "wanted" section or explore the "free" one) or your local freecycle group (usually on yahoo). If you have to spend an hour driving to the city to pick up the weights, so be it. If none of that helps, improvise. Find a sturdy bag and fill it up with bricks, if nothing else. It's not about how heavy the object is, it's about what you do with it.

You said you hate cabbage and carrots. Find some vegetables you don't hate, then munch on them as much as you want. Substituting your desert and chocolate with honey might help: even a spoon can be more than enough to satisfy the cravings.

I don't know whether eating lots of unflavored, unsalted popcorn is harmful to your health, but it works wonders for me. It's supposed to be good for your colon, it's easy to make, it doesn't have a lot of calories and it fills you up pretty fast.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/21/2013 7:24:52 PM   
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Most "diets' actually cause long term weight gain.

Have a look at the book "Diets Don't Work" by John & Catherine Swartz. They also wrote "The One Hour Orgasm" which has some decent concepts too.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/21/2013 11:06:09 PM   
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The packets are made from instant oatmeal, in other words, processed oatmeal. And yes, filled with sodium and sugar.

I use plain old fashioned oats, steel cut if I've been to the health food store, but I'm not rabid about it.

I make Himself oatmeal some mornings in the microwave, he likes a double serving:

1 cup oatmeal

shake of salt

1 3/4 cups water

Microwave on high 4 minutes - you don't stir until it's done. EASY


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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 12:02:46 AM   
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Can you explain the difference between steel cut and regular/rolled oats?

I don't know why anyone would bother with the little sachets of oats - a big bag of oats is so incredibly cheap, why pay so much to have someone add sugar and divide it into packets?

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 12:33:35 AM   
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Beer battered fish? Ditch it and buy fresh fish. Wrap in tinfoil with salt, pepper and lemon and bake. If it is battered or coated, it won't help you.

You talk about weight training, and in your case that is something you need to avoid. Muscle mass weighs more than fat, so it will only make the scales go up. What you need to do is cardio....get your heart rate up. Start slow....five minutes a day and gradually increase. Is it going to hurt? Of course it is! Try taking a low dose painkiller 20 minutes before.

For toning, check out the 30 day Ab Challenge. It is a progression of situps, crunches, leg lifts and plank position. No equipment. No walking.

The biggest thing you need to change is your attitude. Quit making excuses. Just do it.

It was very difficult on many of us when we lost Mad Axeman so suddenly. None of us want to do that again.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 3:49:33 AM   
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Here's a link

Different kinds of oatmeal

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 5:56:35 AM   
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Thank you Chatte.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 7:21:38 AM   
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I have to finish off what I got first. I don't believe in trashing food but using it up. The fish and tater tots are a luxury purchase for me. I usually get frozen meals, especially if Mom goes to Arkansas. I am almost out of those.

As for the pain, I am dealing with it. I went to bed early last night and got up at 7:15 this morning, hurting as usual. This is fibromyalgia pain, something I deal with daily. I have had a lumbar block and hip nerves burnt and I still hurt. Right now, I am setting up an appt. to see my regular doctor tomorrow to see if I can see a chiropractor soon. I think just a couple of sessions will pop my back into shape.

I do the bike for 10 minutes daily and at night some sit ups with the ball. I was going to try to walk yesterday but the heat came up so fast (I live in Texas, remember...). I took the trash out just now and cleaned up the driveway of limbs from Friday's storms.

No farmer's market until Saturday. I DON"T DRIVE due to panic attacks and no license. We live in the country, isolated from people. Nearest neighbor is about 1/4 mile away. I can't even walk that because if I do, the back starts spasming and I used to do a mile in 10 minutes years ago.

Thanks you searching for insight about the Paleo diet. I can't have grains because of IBS attacks (common ailment with fibro patients) and if I eat a sandwich, I stay home just in case and it often happens...

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 7:32:01 AM   
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Do you have a slow cooker?

Mine is priceless - slow cooking makes cheap cuts of meat tender, and gives all your veggies and seasoning time to develop lots of flavour. I couldn't make nearly as many cheap healthy recipes without it.

The other thing is - are you a reasonable cook? When I started to give up my favourite processed foods what helped me keep my willpower was planning really delicious meals I could make at home. I did a lot of experimenting (I know that can be expensive) but I found that planning a dinner I was really looking forward to made it much easier to pass up on junk without feeling deprived.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 7:39:39 AM   
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I use the slow cooker when I am making my beef tips (large package of stew meat, an package of onion mushroom soup mix, 1/2 stick of butter (not margarine) cook at 4 hours on high, prepare wide egg noodles as usual, drain, mix with tips after they are done). I am trying to get Mom to use it more but she is a country cook (Dad taught her how to cook).

As for fish...all the places do around here is fried catfish. I vowed no more catfish after gutting them for years for my dad (he sold catfish to several people around here). I tried frozen cod but it did not turn out well. I will saute my shrimp when I get some more.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 7:51:52 AM   
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I did go to the website and signed up for the free newsletter. I got a couple of the books on watch through eBay. I checked with my library and the only thing Paleo is on sharks...LOL!

I will go to my Freecycle group (and my cheapcycle, which I own) and see if someone in the area has the books. I definitely want the cookbook.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 9:57:41 AM   
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Frankly, I think most folks are going to find this post offensive. Let's keep in mind it's about what I can see from way over here.

The weight part of the array of problems being discussed is based on an emotional relationship with alleged food. As compared to a rational relationship with actual food. The foods I see being cooed over would be ok, if one was a logger. How would I know? I have been a logger. And did not coo over my food. It was not an emotional activity, it was 'eating'. And I did a lot of it. Without ever needing to buy bigger pants. The clothes I wear now are the same size. The belt is the same one. But I don't eat like that anymore. It's not that I don't have too, it's that I can't. If I did, I would be morbidly obese and have back spasms when I walk the short distance I would be capable of.

Part of the emotional relationship with food is based on the participation of Mom. This makes things tougher. The first predicate of change is the desire for it. Being joined at the hip like this means two people will have to want change before either of them can have it. If "food is love" then stand by for every sort of travail and resistance. If not, then thank Steve for small favors. You can discuss the matter rationally instead of emotionally.

The specific change I have in mind is brutally simple. "Stop eating trash".

You think I'm kidding? It ain't so.

The thing about healthy foods is, you can eat as much of it as you want. The thing about unhealthy food is, it is NOT a treat. Or an indulgence. Or something that makes you happy. Treat, indulgence, happy, these are emotional relationships. The problem is, the relationships are with 'food' that isn't really food. Think, doughnut. However little of it you eat, it is still unhealthy and so is the desire for it.

What is in my kitchen? A Brita. Even though I have 'good water'. Coffee and tea, no milk, no sugar. I get plenty of milk and sugar with my granola. Which I usually mix into strawberry yogurt. Sometimes with mixed nuts, too. I keep sandwich stuff handy. GOOD bread, for starters. Wonder Bread is not bread, it's garbage. The only thing Wonder Bread is good for is feeding ducks. If you want to learn what real bread is, ask a vegetarian. I will often use ranch or blue cheese salad dressing. I never use mayo. The meat is generally about an ounce of razor thin ham, chicken or turkey. I use three or so ounces of some kind of cheese. Then there is tomato, pickle, and olive slices and diced jalapeno. Unless I grill it using butter, then, save the salad. If I have dinner, I will likely bake a small, 6 ounceish, lean piece of meat under glass for an hour with a half cup of salsa, and serve it with rice decorated with the dribblins. A salad is simply sliced cuke, bell pepper and tomato and feta with a variety of olives drizzled with olive oil and some kind of vinegar. I keep apples, banana and oranges in plenty in a large basket in the living room and eat them at will.

Then there is what I keep on my bike. I eat twice as much when I ride. I could use candy and pop. But instead I use Clifs bars and the dozen or so similar products. Damn tasty, or I wouldn't bother, but not the sort of thing to put in the mouth because it's fun. I use these because they are easy to carry and pack a lot of nutrition. It also matters that I know where to get them cheap, by the dozen.

This is what I do, and it works for me. I would put it forward as an example of what could be, but I am reluctant to get into that conversation with someone who says stuff like :
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I have to finish off what I got first. I don't believe in trashing food but using it up.

This is an example of what a psychologist would call self-sabotage. I know one lady who has twenty calenders, one atop the other. As if it was ever going to be 1988 again. She will not throw out the garbage. Or even the recycling. Or allow me to replace the kitchen sponge. In direct consequence, she carries around one hell of a lot of useless baggage, and values it. Despite the unavoidable fact that it is garbage. Refusing to 'waste' what is bad for you is a psychiatric condition. All I can do about it is point. If you don't see it, it ain't there, nothing I can say will change that.

About the back spasms, I can offer some advice. Extremely simple and effective advice. Which requires only a blank piece of wall and a minute.

Stand against the wall. Press fanny and shoulders against the wall. Press as much of what is between against the wall also. Press the back of the head against the wall. Look down. Raise arms so the forearm is vertical and the upper arm in horizontal and press the wrist and elbow against the wall. While maintaining contact with the wall at each point I just mentioned, draw the arms downward while keeping the forearms vertical. At the bottom of the stroke, the shoulderblades will push you away from the wall, slightly. As the arms are raised, forearms vertical, be sure to press the shoulders back to the wall, every time. Continue to raise the arms until the upper arms are higher than horizontal. 45 degrees higher is ok, more is no help and could hyperextend the shoulder, so don't. Count one. Repeat fifty times. This should take a minute. Or more. Slower is better. In a few days it will be very apparent this simple act works the shoulders and upper back, quite easily and quickly, in ways that are difficult to accomplish with weights.

In closing, I'd like to mention again I expect this post to receive a very poor rating. Life is like that, often enough to become predictable. Nevertheless, that is the way things are. And I don't think they make a pill for it.

Best wishes.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 10:08:29 AM   
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Muscle mass weighs more than fat, so it will only make the scales go up.


No it doesn't. A pound of feathers weighs the same as a pound of bricks which weighs the same as a pound of fat or a pound of muscle. They may take up different amounts of SPACE, but the WEIGHT remains the same.

A pound of muscle is denser and takes up less space than a pound of fat. Additionally, muscle is ACTIVE tissue, which means it burns more calories at rest and raises your metabolism.

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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 10:32:24 AM   
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To lose weight...see a nutritionist... it is worth the expense.

But bottom line... totally depriving yourself of the type of foods you like is a prescription for failure. It is far better to eat what you like but reduce the amount you eat... At least to get started... you can always slowly change the type of foods to a more health variety.

One trick, although a little wasteful, is to fill your plate as usual but leave a third of each item on the plate uneaten. Set to a formal meal with no distractions if possible and concentrate on eating small bites and chewing longer....THIS WORKS

The other part of weight loss is upping your activity or exercise. The best and easiest way is taking a walk after every meal...even snacks. This will allow the body to burn the easily digested sugars and not store them as fat and increase your metabolism overall. There are many ways to increase exercise here are a few.

Walk rather than drive whenever possible.
When you shop park your car in the lot as far away from the entrance as possible
When in the store...walk down every isle in the store before making purchases then go back and buy what you need.
Increase your activates around the house...if you clean once a week clean twice or three times
Start a garden...cut the grass more often...clean the garage....wash the car more often...etc.

There are many ways to increase activity that provide multiple benefits to you besides weight loss.

Now remember to lose weight and keep it off you MUST EAT LESS and or EXCERCISE MORE. You do not have to do both but if you do you will feel better and lose weight faster and it will be easier and natural to keep it off.

The first step though is shrinking the stomach. When you eat less for a time the stomach will shrink... this shrinkage will trigger a fuller feeling and it is self fulfilling... The more it shrinks the faster you will feel full and the less you will eat. If you do this along with exercise YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT it is impossible not to.

You will find it is the getting started that is hard... If you push through that first week or two it will get easier and when you see the first few pounds melt away and the waistband loosens the rush of success will make sticking to the routine easier to do.

ps... just remember there will be plateaus where it will seem no matter what you do the weight stays the same... Just don't despair it is you body recalibrating its metabolism... You are still losing and soon you will see the weight reduce. Plateaus come regularly and learn to expect them and don't get discouraged.

I have even seen some people put on a few pounds when on the routine now and then when exercising because muscle weights more than fat...But it sure looks better too.

Good luck
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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 10:34:20 AM   
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I didn't find your post offensive, I think you spoke some truth. Having an unhealthy emotional relationship with food is quite common, and very hard to deal with. If you're hooked on nicotine, you can stop cold turkey. You can't stop eating.

I agree that things with Shar's mother don't seem to be helping. She's baking desserts instead of learning how to shop and cook healthy.

She probably can't afford to toss the already bought food out, yes, some people are that poor.

Shar, I hope you take my advice and work on getting your diet better a little at a time. It's the slow incremental changes that makes for major lifestyle change. This is my opinion. The whole, okay I'm going to change my life over night just doesn't work for me and I don't think it works for many.

Work on the bad tape inside your mind that tells your eating the wrong food is the right thing to do. Learn to replace that tape with a positive one that makes you feel good when you eat right.





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RE: Where does this go to? HELP!! - 7/22/2013 10:46:34 AM   
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I'm not a specialist but I have a friend who is a dietologist and that's what he always told me: The problem is not just what you eat but the doses. Stay away from diet that don't allow you to eat a certain category of nutrients cause your body needs them all, just in a different proportion. Carbs are not the evil and there are different kinds of them: some are good and some are way less good. Still carbs are needed cause they help your body burn the fat when you exercise. Exercise is the best diet you can do, you can starve for months and lose weight but sooner or later the diet will end and if you have a sedentary life you will start gaining weight again (unless you have an extraordinary methabolism, but in that case you probably wouldn't need a diet anyway...).

Wen i was 26, before ending up in the army, i was 242 and a half pounds, at the end of my ten months tour of duty, due to lower food doses and lots of exercise which i cannot avoid (try to refuse marching all day and see what happens lol) my weight went down to 176 pounds. In the meantime i kept eating everything, sweets and chocolate included (actually at times a lot of chocolate since i needed sugar to burn) but in smaller doses.

A diet won't never solve all your problems ChatteParfaitt said you need a life change.

I know there are some illness that makes it hard for people affected to exercise or even just go outside while, at the same time, makes you want to eat a lot more then you would need but if you want to lose weight and not get it back i don't see another solution.

I'm not sure if what i said makes nay sense to you or anyone else but it does to me and always worked for me whenever i needed or just wanted to lose some pounds.

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