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RE: Neanderthals Talked Like Us - 7/29/2013 9:48:59 PM   
theshytype


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That does not prove lack of intellegence.
It can help support your theory, but does not provide enough proof to change my own.

Add to that the lack of innovation in tool design and the fact they didn't even adapt the new tool designs of the H sapiens that lived nearby and it does produce a lot of evidence that in at least some ways they were less intelligent than H sapiens.


Tools cannot be improved over time without new ideas. Innovation and new ideas cannot happen without sharing knowledge. If knowledge is not shared, it leads me to believe there was a lack of socialization.

The fact that they were more stocky in size may have nothing to do with strength and more to do with their climate.  We know in today's man, size is not the determining factor of strength or a predication of a winner in a fight.  

I have read similar theories to my own, believing lack of social networking which may have ultimately led to their demise.  It would explain the lack of innovation you mention.  Lack of knowledge and supply trading.  Lack of populating.  
It's believed that the Neanderthals consisted of more nuclear families which, again, supports my theory. 

You cannot have innovation without socialization.

If 'Man A' creates a tool, and 'Man B' is not aware of it, how can he (Man B) possibly improve it?

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RE: Neanderthals Talked Like Us - 7/30/2013 4:02:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: theshytype


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ORIGINAL: theshytype

That does not prove lack of intellegence.
It can help support your theory, but does not provide enough proof to change my own.

Add to that the lack of innovation in tool design and the fact they didn't even adapt the new tool designs of the H sapiens that lived nearby and it does produce a lot of evidence that in at least some ways they were less intelligent than H sapiens.


Tools cannot be improved over time without new ideas. Innovation and new ideas cannot happen without sharing knowledge. If knowledge is not shared, it leads me to believe there was a lack of socialization.

The fact that they were more stocky in size may have nothing to do with strength and more to do with their climate.  We know in today's man, size is not the determining factor of strength or a predication of a winner in a fight.  

I have read similar theories to my own, believing lack of social networking which may have ultimately led to their demise.  It would explain the lack of innovation you mention.  Lack of knowledge and supply trading.  Lack of populating.  
It's believed that the Neanderthals consisted of more nuclear families which, again, supports my theory. 

You cannot have innovation without socialization.

If 'Man A' creates a tool, and 'Man B' is not aware of it, how can he (Man B) possibly improve it?

But tool techniques did change and spread in Neanderthals just much more slowly and infrequently than in H sapiens at the same time. So there was communication of ideas across social groups.

As to band size, nuclear families may have lived together but they had to have been part of a larger group. Inbreeding on that scale is easily detectable.

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RE: Neanderthals Talked Like Us - 7/30/2013 4:22:28 AM   
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An article on the subject of why the Neanderthals died out:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/jun/02/why-did-neanderthals-die-out



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RE: Neanderthals Talked Like Us - 7/30/2013 6:25:47 AM   
theshytype


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

An article on the subject of why the Neanderthals died out:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/jun/02/why-did-neanderthals-die-out




Thank you, Chatte.

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RE: Neanderthals Talked Like Us - 7/30/2013 8:40:14 AM   
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Neanderthals Talked Like Us

They still do, if the forums are any indication.

K.


I agree, except I think they were way more open, honest and straightforward then some people on the forums.

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