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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Racism theme is important here I believe…or at least telling. Imagine if you were an African American in St Louis. You see the Zimmerman case in Florida where a black man was killed and the killer was found not guilty because of a stand your ground law. Then In his own backyard a white man is killed where the killer tries to use a similar stand your ground law the killer is convicted of 2nd degree murder. If this were to happen anyway.

I’m sure he or she could not care less about anyone involved but it would just reinforce , and perhaps justifiably, their belief in racism. Oh yea, they could think, let a black man get killed and the killer will go free but let a white man get killed and the shooter goes to jail.

Now I admit I am the only one making this comparison but I know blacks in my are will be thinking it if the shooter is convicted.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Yes...you and others seem to think the SYG law was not used in the Zimmerman case...will try and convince the millions of blacks that...I saw the reports on the instructions given the jury and I will draw my conclusions and you can yours but preaching your versions will mean crap to blacks.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tazzy I saw that report but it is not the sheriffs call... What do you think will be the shooters defense in court? We will just have to see what happens as the case progresses. Too soon to do anything but speculate.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: WishfulSinfull

Oh, and I should also mention that there was a case in 2009 where an Italian teen was shot by a neighborhood watch man on patrol who just happened to black (or African American for you pc people) for suspected prowling. The teen never even laid a hand on the man doing neighborhood watch either. He was brought to trial and ALSO was declared innocent by a jury....It was still considered self defense and I didn't see Al Sharpton or fucking Obama getting on tv and ranting about this. The media hyped this case and started all of this bullshit, even showed pics of Trayvon as an innocent looking 13 year old kid instead of the 18 year old he was when he was shot. We have all been played so a few tv networks could get higher ratings, people.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I believe he is saying this happened in the US, he meant Italian heritage, if we give him the benefit of the doubt, I think.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Hmmmm.... somebody apparently doesn't know what they've posted.

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Here is a story I feel where taking the law into your own hands hold merit.
We lived on a farm, way out in the middle of nowhere land. We had one direct neighbor who lived right across the road down a lane. Our other neighbors closest to us lived almost a mile from us. A rash of equipment, farm supplies, and ATV burglaries were going on in two counties. Our ATV was stolen twice. First time, it was recovered, by a routine traffic stop and the vin numbers were checked, found it was stolen, and the guy went to jail for probation violation for 3 yrs. 5 months later the same ATV was stolen again! IT was never found. Luckily we had insurance. Both times they were stole in the middle of the night.
Approximately a month later, our neighbor had his ATV idoling by the side of his house, as he went in for something before he fed their animals. He hears the thing take off, and some guy is zooming down the lane toward the road. Our neighbor, jumps in his truck, with his rifle, chases the guy who takes off thru a field toward the creek, neighbor just starts driving thru the bean field on the other neighbors property to catch him, and pretty soon that neighbor is chasing after the guy with his ATV. They yelled for him to stop but he wasn't going too, so he was shot at a few times with buck shot. The ATV was found over the side of an eroded bank in the creek bed, There was so blood, and when the police got there, they had to go by ATV to examine the scene. The man was never found. THe blood was either from the wreck, buck shot, or both. BUt our neighbor didn't have insurance and he knew if he lost his ATV his life was going to get much harder. He did not threaten with a gun until he felt attacked. And yes we had people we had to run off our property, but a gun was never waved at them, unless they decided to refuse a peaceful ending. If someone would have entered our house, in the dark, or attacked from the start in other circumstances they probably would be shot.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4505675

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Didn't you just say that a history of property problems justified shooting someone in the back, after chasing them down the road and off your land?

Maybe this guy had been putting up with the locals using his land as a party dump for a while.

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24






That is not what I said. You have no idea what you are talking about at all. Its prime well taken care of property.
Would you like to go hunting and see?
I think I will leave you to debate with yourself now.

Lets clear this up, shall we? We have no idea if the man was shot in the back or not. If he received a pellet or two, maybe it woke him up. All this was reported to police. Btw he was a white man, the thief. Living so rurally, the police understood the position of self policing to some extent, the history of the burglaries were something they couldn't control in this rural area. The man was caught in the act, refused to stop, and frankly got what he deserved. There is a time to take a stand, and there is a time to back down. There is a time to let it go, and there is a time to take action. This man was not disciplined for simply taking a walk, or shot for his iced tea or skittles. He got his wake up call, and hopefully it scared him straight. For the record, the burglaries in our area, declined greatly.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I believe he is saying this happened in the US, he meant Italian heritage, if we give him the benefit of the doubt, I think.

right i missread, I'm not used to people defining themself by heritage, but I also confused the parts as here is not such a thing as a black man in a neighbourhood watch, too.