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BitYakin -> RE: Benghazi (8/1/2013 3:38:39 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
The Arizona agent that started the gunwalking program did not attend that meeting and the memo that he received from that meeting did not include anything about gunwalking.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110811
NOOOOO it was started, "On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C."
and while the MEMO didn't say DO gun walking, it also did not say, LETS NOT MAKE THE SAMEMISTAKE that was made in op wide reciever either now did it?
sooo what WAS in the memo, GIT ER DONE!
this QUOTE from the article/link YOU POSTED, "Indeed, according to memos, emails and other material obtained by The Times, along with transcripts of sworn depositions and Capitol Hill testimony, the Justice Department provided the initial impetus for what became Fast and Furious.
In October 2009, officials in the office of then-Deputy Atty. Gen. David W. Ogden, the No. 2 slot under Holder, sent a nine-page memo to supervisors on the border. Called the "Department of Justice Strategy for Combating the Mexican Cartels," it specifically instructed the ATF to broaden its scope to "identify, investigate and eliminate" the cartels. This approach, the memo added, "ensures that scarce ATF resources are directed at the most important targets."
The memo did not suggest agents purposely allow illegal purchasers to walk away with guns, and Justice Department officials insist they never approved the "operational" concept for Fast and Furious. Nevertheless, the ATF viewed the memo as marching orders
So you agree no political appointee ordered it. Why even bother with the rest of the post?
HOW conveniant you ignored THIS PART!
In order to accomplish it, the office decided to monitor suspicious firearms purchases which federal prosecutors had determined lacked sufficient evidence for prosecution, as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force
On July 10, 2009, Burke was nominated by President Barack Obama to serve as the United States Attorney for the District of Arizona
OH LOOK another obama appointee!
maybe you can explain what the diffeance between ordering it and given legal backing is?
I guess one is saying "this is my idea DO THIS", and the other is saying "I like your idea OK DO THAT!"
I am sorry you can't understand that when someone gives an order to DO SOMETHING without giving specif directions on HOW to do it, and they do something WRONG, you are STILL RESPONSIBLE
for instance, if as a plumber I tell my helper, go over to 1313 mockingbird lane, and open the plumbing wall and he grabs his saw and goes over and cuts into the wall and hits a gas line, and blows up the house, MY COMPANY IS STILL RESPONSIBLE for the damage!
if I refuse to pay, how well is it going to go over in court when I say welllllllll I didn't tell my helper to hit that gas line!
and this SIMPLE RULE holds true for ALL the scandels of all PRESIDENTIAL ADMINS!
bengazi, IRS, F & F.... I just told em to HANDLE IT, not my fault if they handled it WRONG!
and as for NSA, well he has publicly come out and said, THIS IS A GOOD THING! we DO IT, I APPROVE of it being done, and we are going to KEEP RIGHT ON DOING IT!
yeah BUSH started it, but it was SUPPOSED TO EXPIRE, obama comes along and says NAAAAA we're going to keep doing this FOREVER!
must be NICE to be president and be able to ABSOLVE yourself of all obligation and responsibility by saying it wasn't me it was just a gou who works for me who did it!
of course that didn't work for nixon/watergate, or reagan/iran contra, or bush2/abugrave...
nice to know dem's hold repub presidents to higher standards than they hold dem presidents!
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