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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 9:16:25 AM   
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It cannot bring men back to life.

But it's mission is exactly the kind of support Benghazi needed.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 9:22:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Had it been in Benghazi, it might have done something. Thats another thing it can't be is two places at once.

Then we gotta work thru relativity and those issues. It cannot be in another place instantly, light takes time to travel.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 9:45:18 AM   
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Had it been in Benghazi, it might have done something. Thats another thing it can't be is two places at once.

Then we gotta work thru relativity and those issues. It cannot be in another place instantly, light takes time to travel.

Duh
with all the warnings they had why wasn't one closer
except for the administrations mindset that terrorism couldn't happen again, this refusal to accept reality kept them from properly securing the post and led to the stupid lies they told afterward

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 9:58:22 AM   
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Do you have any idea what an ac-130 can do?

Yes. And as I said up thread a question that should be answered is how long would it have taken to get a Spectre loaded and to Benghazi. But that doesn't change the fact that these dumbass fantasies about crazy F-16 missions without tanker support are ridiculous.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 9:59:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		how many are there and where were they at? Seems that they were in places that were mission critical at the time. When you are figuring that nearly everyone in half the continents on the earth wanna do you up on 9/11 where would you put them?

DUH yourself.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 9:59:46 AM   
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Had it been in Benghazi, it might have done something. Thats another thing it can't be is two places at once.

Then we gotta work thru relativity and those issues. It cannot be in another place instantly, light takes time to travel.

Duh
with all the warnings they had why wasn't one closer
except for the administrations mindset that terrorism couldn't happen again, this refusal to accept reality kept them from properly securing the post and led to the stupid lies they told afterward

There were a bunch of vague rumblings. We could not possibly have had an AC-130 over every embassy and consulate that might be attacked.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 10:07:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, apparently the Air Force has 33 of them at max, up from 16, if they were all operational and manned by that date, that is the US cache. How many were fully operational and manned in the area, no redlines, no first echelon repair issues, and where were they at?

Yanno Ken, had I knowed you was a comin, Ida baked a pie, as it was there were plenty of cakes to bake in the general widespread area, and I hope we had at least 15 of them circling the old WTC site on 9/11 because.......you know......and a couple hovering over W, and one over Limbaugh, Faux Nuze studios, and Breitbart and Boortz' places.

How many embassies do we have in the middle east and northern africa? How many troop enclaves? You wouldn't need any for the troops....... so..........not with this crowd of mess hall sergeants anyhow.....

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 10:15:12 AM   
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Well, apparently the Air Force has 33 of them at max, up from 16, if they were all operational and manned by that date, that is the US cache. How many were fully operational and manned in the area, no redlines, no first echelon repair issues, and where were they at?

Yanno Ken, had I knowed you was a comin, Ida baked a pie, as it was there were plenty of cakes to bake in the general widespread area, and I hope we had at least 15 of them circling the old WTC site on 9/11 because.......you know......and a couple hovering over W, and one over Limbaugh, Faux Nuze studios, and Breitbart and Boortz' places.



They had warnings and instead of taking reasonable precautions they did nothing then lied and accused anyone who disagreed with racism. If you don't believe me check what was said about criticism of Rice's statements.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 10:16:45 AM   
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Well, apparently the Air Force has 33 of them at max, up from 16, if they were all operational and manned by that date, that is the US cache. How many were fully operational and manned in the area, no redlines, no first echelon repair issues, and where were they at?

Yanno Ken, had I knowed you was a comin, Ida baked a pie, as it was there were plenty of cakes to bake in the general widespread area, and I hope we had at least 15 of them circling the old WTC site on 9/11 because.......you know......and a couple hovering over W, and one over Limbaugh, Faux Nuze studios, and Breitbart and Boortz' places.

How many embassies do we have in the middle east and northern africa? How many troop enclaves? You wouldn't need any for the troops....... so..........not with this crowd of mess hall sergeants anyhow.....

Maybe if they didn't have them on standby to take out talk show hosts they could defend ambassadors
But seriously they had a platoon of Marines protecting the embassy in Paris wouldn't it have been better to have them in Benghazi?

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 10:24:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the 9/11 attack was against the US primarily and several other nations simultaneiously, the only more international place would have been the UN but they would have taken out many middle easterners who are on their side.

Of the possible threats, why an American Embassy in a country that we had just helped, and was fairly friendly to us? That hasn't been the normal terrorists idea of a way to go. . .Why not an outpost in Afghanistan or Pakistan? That would seem more likely.

And did they have any other threats? And what would Rice know about it? I do not believe she has a whole picture, nor does she have the brains to pour piss out of her fuck me boots.

My understanding is that the closest available ac-130 was in Djibouti, 4 hours away plus ready time and fueling time.

Everybody is still fucking dead on that one.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 11:38:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		ONLY IN FUCKING HINDSIGHT, I CAN JUST HEAR THE ASSHATS ON FOX BITCHING ABOUT WHY WE WASTED MARINES IN BEHNGAZI INSTEAD OF PARIS...

So, i am firmly back to this being a silly tempest in a teapot for crackpots.

The bad guys win once in a while, and if this is your level of concern, I assume you will now recognize how much better a record dems have than republicans any way you stack it up.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 11:51:21 AM   
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Well, apparently the Air Force has 33 of them at max, up from 16, if they were all operational and manned by that date, that is the US cache. How many were fully operational and manned in the area, no redlines, no first echelon repair issues, and where were they at?

Yanno Ken, had I knowed you was a comin, Ida baked a pie, as it was there were plenty of cakes to bake in the general widespread area, and I hope we had at least 15 of them circling the old WTC site on 9/11 because.......you know......and a couple hovering over W, and one over Limbaugh, Faux Nuze studios, and Breitbart and Boortz' places.

How many embassies do we have in the middle east and northern africa? How many troop enclaves? You wouldn't need any for the troops....... so..........not with this crowd of mess hall sergeants anyhow.....

Maybe if they didn't have them on standby to take out talk show hosts they could defend ambassadors
But seriously they had a platoon of Marines protecting the embassy in Paris wouldn't it have been better to have them in Benghazi?

I'm completely with you on getting rid of private security goons and going back to Marines to defend our diplomats. I have yet to hear a single Republican politician even mention such.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 11:56:38 AM   
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My understanding is that the closest available ac-130 was in Djibouti, 4 hours away plus ready time and fueling time.

Everybody is still fucking dead on that one.

I thought the Marines operated some that were based out of Sigonella but on further research it appears those were USAF that were assigned there temporarily during the Libyan civil war.

All the AC-130 squadrons are based in the US and I cannot find any indication any planes were anywhere near Benghazi on 9/11/12. So that is another flight of fancy shot to pieces.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 12:29:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		What? Are you telling me the 'Flying Fortress' the 'Air Force One' the 'S.W.A.T. Team' of urban defense planes owned by the US military are stationed in the US to protect the US? Rarely deployed to foreign countries? What sort of fuckin Military Genius figgured that shit out?

Cant we blame this on Obama or Hillary or Democrats or Marxists or Communists?

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 12:31:42 PM   
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What? Are you telling me the 'Flying Fortress' the 'Air Force One' the 'S.W.A.T. Team' of urban defense planes owned by the US military are stationed in the US to protect the US? Rarely deployed to foreign countries? What sort of fuckin Military Genius figgured that shit out?

Cant we blame this on Obama or Hillary or Democrats or Marxists or Communists?

The USAF likes to sleep at home every night.

Although those planes are attached to the USAF SpecOps command so their official bases and actual locations may only bear a passing resemblance.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 12:36:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The AC130s along with most high level reconnaissance assets are based here with some exceptions. The AC130s tend to have some fairly advanced tech on board. During Vietnam, if we lost one, the wreckage would be bombed to reduce risk of capture of the technology. At the time, we could track vehicles through the radio emissions of the spark plugs at night. I assume today we are a bit past that.

The reasons for basing them here is they are a very specialized aircraft and it is easier to deal with logistics and security. They get deployed overseas but not based. The SR71s flew out of my backyard, at Beale AFB just north of Sacramento.

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 12:36:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		OH, I am betting there is one close to NATO HQ, like I say in Camp Lemmonier, Vincenza, Okinawa, Rhein Main, South Korea....

There have to be a few mothballed in the large overseas joint installations just for show if nothing else, in real friendly territory.

But now that the NSA has read this, they've been moved. . . .

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 12:43:07 PM   
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The AC130s along with most high level reconnaissance assets are based here with some exceptions. The AC130s tend to have some fairly advanced tech on board. During Vietnam, if we lost one, the wreckage would be bombed to reduce risk of capture of the technology. At the time, we could track vehicles through the radio emissions of the spark plugs at night. I assume today we are a bit past that.

The reasons for basing them here is they are a very specialized aircraft and it is easier to deal with logistics and security. They get deployed overseas but not based. The SR71s flew out of my backyard, at Beale AFB just north of Sacramento.



Mike, why werent they in Benghazi? You guys just standing around over there, or was Gov. Jerry Brown told to stand down? What are you hiding?

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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 12:49:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I was in charge of the air force, we wouldn't have one, give ground attack to the army/marines, give air superiority to the navy, and well, okay, let the air force have some bombers, they are handy for threatening the neighbors.

South Korea would be home to upgraded A10s with modern avionics, something the AF fought to the point of mothballing the best damn aircraft they have. It would keep the army from having to develop overly expensive helicopters to do what the idiotic Air Force refuses to do. Ground attack F16 & F15s are a JOKE. I would bring back armed OV10 Broncos for the Army too, cheap, competent, survivable. And lots and lots of drones. There is real irony with the words "air force" and drones...

Google Davis Monthan AFB and check out all the aircraft. Most are not "mothballed" which are the one with white plastic covering the engine nacelles and cockpits. Notice how there are OLD aircraft in complete condition, note the A10s, most are way beyond hanger queens, the AF is actively destroying them, they hated being forced to buy them, put them into reserve, were forced to bring them out twice and are not going to let that happen again.

I would be there isn't a single "mothballed" AC130, just standard early model cargo versions.


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RE: Benghazi - 7/31/2013 12:54:58 PM   
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241 marines died in beirut because they were not allowed to have ammo and had their magazines taped shut.

What a fucking cock-up that was.

K.

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