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I did not watch the videos (surprise! I do not watch profanity laden things.) But it looks like from the articles that they were weapons he purchased and fired at a range in Texas while on vacation. All perfectly legal things.

Had the video not gone viral, would this be an issue?

20,000 calls for him being fired? It is a town of 800. This really looks like something that should be a local issue. How does the town of 800 feel about this guy. And I do not mean the city council bowing to outside pressure.

I do mostly agree with DarkSteven. Except, what does the town charter and the state constitution say about political affiliations and employment? Because it looks like the angst is NOT over the profanity but instead of semi-political rant he was making. (Okay, it may have been an all political rant.) I thought that there were some protections in regards to civil service and political affiliation.

On the other hand, it could be worse. Nakoula is still in jail.

You make a stunning point- outsiders views in my town mean NOTHING. Yeah- those folks can make noise- but they go by who lives here- who owns- who you went to school with- your family sur name- who married into which family- how many generations you go back- YES THIS ALL MATTERS in a small town. I have been here since 1988- I am still viewed as an outsider by some.... So BINGO on outsider calls.

He publically announced to the world at large his character. BY doing that he officially made it an outsider issue, as well as an insider issue. There are people who will not tolerate this kind of man in office nor should they. He used very poor judgement but he did reveal himself in character, and that is a good thing for the community. Treat all people fairly, I highly doubt a man with this kind of character is fair or rational in situations he doesn't agree with.

Whether he was right or wrong it is a local issue only.
Can you post something intended for your town and keep the rest of the world from knowing about it.

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We put a lot of stock in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights as immutable. The idea of relying on laws and tradition just makes us uncomfortable and we have a long list of the naughtiness of the British in the 18th century, the Declaration of Independence, that seems to confirm that skepticism. Not saying its right or wrong just trying to explain.

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^ ok- but lets switch this to an issue that you personally dont care one way or the other.

Calls come in from all over the country- are those calls relevant to how things work in your town?

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He did not quietly or loudly for that matter sit in this living room discussing his distaste of laws with friends, he wore the uniform, shooting, yelling profanities, taped it and put it out there for public viewing. I view him as a moron in a high ranking position, which represents the entire United States. If I was a minority individual, viewed this hate filled tape, got a real taste of who was in charge in this town, I definitely wouldn't feel safe. Speel hate, receive hate. I imagine a town like that would need well armed.
I come from the sticks, small town, hill billy even. It does not equate stupidity. We like Andy Taylor types in this area. Calm, level, fair, kind, respectful, and strong. Yes, if we had a police chief like that, it would go viral and he wouldn't last long in office around here. ANd this aint NYC.

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He did not quietly or loudly for that matter sit in this living room discussing his distaste of laws with friends, he wore the uniform, shooting, yelling profanities, taped it and put it out there for public viewing. I view him as a moron in a high ranking position, which represents the entire United States. If I was a minority individual, viewed this hate filled tape, got a real taste of who was in charge in this town, I definitely wouldn't feel safe. Speel hate, receive hate. I imagine a town like that would need well armed.
I come from the sticks, small town, hill billy even. It does not equate stupidity. We like Andy Taylor types in this area. Calm, level, fair, kind, respectful, and strong. Yes, if we had a police chief like that, it would go viral and he wouldn't last long in office around here. ANd this aint NYC.

but its ok if someone stands mild mannered at a podium and whispers in your ear that the evil doers must be bombed out of existence then commences laying to waste 2 countries?

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No question he is a disgrace and I abhor his comments but being a disgrace does not leave a public employee's Constitutional speech unprotected as per the cases I cited above.

He appropriated their equipment. He appropriated their uniform. He appropriated their title. He is not merely speaking as a private citizen.

so they cease being in the capacity of private citizen when they state the title or office they hold?

When you work for an employer in general you give up rights, but when you work for a public agency there are limits to the free speech you have, it comes with taking the job. Public officials are in a sensitive position, where the trust of the people is important, and statements that give any kind doubt as to the way the person performs their duties is valid reason to limit speech.

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He did not quietly or loudly for that matter sit in this living room discussing his distaste of laws with friends, he wore the uniform, shooting, yelling profanities, taped it and put it out there for public viewing. I view him as a moron in a high ranking position, which represents the entire United States. If I was a minority individual, viewed this hate filled tape, got a real taste of who was in charge in this town, I definitely wouldn't feel safe. Speel hate, receive hate. I imagine a town like that would need well armed.
I come from the sticks, small town, hill billy even. It does not equate stupidity. We like Andy Taylor types in this area. Calm, level, fair, kind, respectful, and strong. Yes, if we had a police chief like that, it would go viral and he wouldn't last long in office around here. ANd this aint NYC.

but its ok if someone stands mild mannered at a podium and whispers in your ear that the evil doers must be bombed out of existence then commences laying to waste 2 countries?

Please elaborate.

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He doesn't need to be speaking in his official capacity if he goes out of his way to make it clear who he is. Kessler made those videos and id'ed himself as the chief of police, he said he would not enforce gun laws and did so when he was in uniform of the position.....if he wasn't speaking officially, he was using the position he has to push his private agenda.And ask yourself this, if he wasn't trying to use his position, then why did he id himself as chief, and wear the uniform? If he said "My name is ....Kessler, and here is what I think of guns and those wanting to take them away" while wearing jeans and a sweatshirt, he might have an argument, but he used the uniform and his title to try and further his agenda, and that is tantamount to doing it officially. A lot of public officials have lost jobs for similar actions, the burden is on them to separate their private opinions from the job, and when they try to use their position to enhance their position, they are in fact trying to give the impression they are speaking with the weight of the office.

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He did not quietly or loudly for that matter sit in this living room discussing his distaste of laws with friends, he wore the uniform, shooting, yelling profanities, taped it and put it out there for public viewing. I view him as a moron in a high ranking position, which represents the entire United States. If I was a minority individual, viewed this hate filled tape, got a real taste of who was in charge in this town, I definitely wouldn't feel safe. Speel hate, receive hate. I imagine a town like that would need well armed.
I come from the sticks, small town, hill billy even. It does not equate stupidity. We like Andy Taylor types in this area. Calm, level, fair, kind, respectful, and strong. Yes, if we had a police chief like that, it would go viral and he wouldn't last long in office around here. ANd this aint NYC.

but its ok if someone stands mild mannered at a podium and whispers in your ear that the evil doers must be bombed out of existence then commences laying to waste 2 countries?

Please elaborate.

its Pot v Kettle



it applies as much to government as it does an individual

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We put a lot of stock in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights as immutable. The idea of relying on laws and tradition just makes us uncomfortable and we have a long list of the naughtiness of the British in the 18th century, the Declaration of Independence, that seems to confirm that skepticism. Not saying its right or wrong just trying to explain.

Which is just fine Ken..... Both sytems work for our respective Countries.

One could argue that with the introduction of the Human Rights Act, we have protections that some of your countrymen view as "communist"

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He did not quietly or loudly for that matter sit in this living room discussing his distaste of laws with friends, he wore the uniform, shooting, yelling profanities, taped it and put it out there for public viewing. I view him as a moron in a high ranking position, which represents the entire United States. If I was a minority individual, viewed this hate filled tape, got a real taste of who was in charge in this town, I definitely wouldn't feel safe. Speel hate, receive hate. I imagine a town like that would need well armed.
I come from the sticks, small town, hill billy even. It does not equate stupidity. We like Andy Taylor types in this area. Calm, level, fair, kind, respectful, and strong. Yes, if we had a police chief like that, it would go viral and he wouldn't last long in office around here. ANd this aint NYC.

but its ok if someone stands mild mannered at a podium and whispers in your ear that the evil doers must be bombed out of existence then commences laying to waste 2 countries?

Please elaborate.

its Pot v Kettle



it applies as much to government as it does an individual

I see. No comment, other then, I was not speaking of whispering evil doers to a man on a podium. That is your view or topic which I have no reply too.

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Its interesting to note just who hasnt posted.

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Its interesting to note just who hasnt posted.