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I think about it this way. I'm not a threat. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not a drug dealer or a smuggler. I have no criminal record, and even my driving record is spotless over the past five years. So, any government agency or police official would be absolutely wasting their time and the taxpayers' money by taking even the slightest interest in me or what I do. If they're wasting their time with little ol' me, then that means that someone they should be watching might slip through the net.
It is unlikely you would pop up in the metadata then. The staff of analysts is so limited you would hardly get a glance. The net you refer to lacks the efficiency so many credit in their fears.
Please Check it: Ya, it is a bit. Long.... But, this is why you need to be concerned. It is complicated. But, I can present it in a neat fashion. I need to run out the door. However, I would like to neaten it up, offer specifics, citations and more references. It deserves its own thread. I will not beg for anyone to read this. But, you will be glad you did.
IT is not about fear, hiding stuff or protecting yourself if you break the law. It is about this spying and it is illegal. If you are not guilty of crimes, there is this thing called the constitution. If you are not guilty of crime, there are telecom laws (There is actually a "Telecommunications ACT"). In the 50-70s FISA and other orders made this illegal - Domestic Surveillance (See church committee, project shamrock/NSA prosecution or project minaret). If you are not guilty of crime there are local regulations. ALL of which are being stripped, violated and raped. The government is intentionally ignoring all of these previous legally enacted laws. Then you are being lied to about it - despite absolute truth existing it is taking place. Imagine your sub lying or imagine lying to a master like this.
It is also a fact that they do 3 hops now, meaning not only do they monitor you - but everyone you talk to x3. I've also posted quite a bit about what metadata is, how it is used and how dangerous it is. Here is the Vice President talking about the danger it posed, but this is when Bush was doing it on 1/10th the scale BidenDangersOfMeta. Keep in mind they do 3 hops 5-6 hops would cover the world. So, if you talk to someone overseas, if you talk to your mom who is overseas or your girlfriend has talked to someone. Or if someone uses your phone or internet. So many things could go so terribly wrong. People overseas (I have many non-Caucasian friends in other nations) they are totally screwed by this..... Less that what little protection we have - they have none. It is also a fact these programs commonly profile (Racist). The potential for abuse by corrupt or evil people ( YES some do exist in government). SPying on banks, over seas corporations, hospitals, stock markets...... We know this has taken place to a large degree.
You also completely misunderstand, it is not a glance. You really need to read more and research the technology more. Learn how it is working, how it is legally justified, who accesses it, how long it is stored, where it is stored. As a hacker, I love massive databases with such personal information - I am a security person/consultant. So, my intention is not to be abusive. But, someone with malicious intent could wipe you clean. Government databases are hacked all the time. Hell a 29 yr old punk named Snowden who was a geek growing up with no sophisticated schooling did it, THEY NEVER SAW IT COMING. Meta data is what doctors you go to, what people you donate to, when you donate, who they donate to, what meds you might take (kind of doctor you call). what your political affiliations are, religious affiliations, sexual preferences. Anyone with Google can do a reverse number search. Remember HIPPA is there for a reason (Privacy relevant to medical records which is ignored here). This is being done to your kid, grandparents, friends, and theirs. This is being done to politicians, ex, active and current military - it is done without discrimination,. It leaves a literal voice print. As Hunky pointed out we pay for it to. We are approaching 20 trillion in debt. Stellarwind, UpStream, BoundlessInformant, Prism, Xkeyscore, the fusion/data centers. These fusion centers pollute the hell out of the planet. For god sake just one uses 1.7 million gallons of water a day! WaterBill . We have people who have issues getting clean water. The electricity comes from TONS of coal. The amount of pollution and waste from these, the carbon footprint... IS disgusting and unnecessary. Even GreanPeace is suing. I think this has infor on that. Green Peace Sues For EnvironmentThese cost combine billions.
THEY ARE INTENTIONALLY FUCKING LYING to you. They are justifying it because black courts, you can never approach, who meet in secret, who are funded by your tax dollars, who have secret interpretations and definitions of law - which is different than you and I. These public funded courts with hand selected judges say it is OK Then, when you or someone says it might not be ok. Tens of millions of your dollars are used to defend their secrecy. Even if you are a criminal , this is the USA. You have rights, if you don't like that - this is fine. But, it is what it is. You can murder 10 people, you still have rights. You do not forfeit your rights because you sell or smoke pot.
ALSO important - this is not actually the NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA or LE in many instances. This is companies like SAIC, Booz, Raytheon, Six3Systems collecting this data. NSA can not do this on their own, this work is contracted out. Executives on NSA staff who are presidents of these corps, who are lobbyists or who have friends at NSA. They then hire their own companies. The more fear they can create or the more they can convince you this is necessary the more machines they make, people they hire or money they need it is a never ending vicious circle! (This is called "Cronyism/Regulatory Capture/Revolving Door" - please ask if not familiar). So not only are we concerned with the government but all of these people who have these data (Ex lover, master, slave, friend, enemy - or just a freak who is power hungry). Go to Linkedin.com or any intelligence community forum ("Old Crows"). Here is some general information from an individual who works for a contractor I just named.
NOTE TO MODS all identifying information was stripped from this. I also changed the framing/wording
By mid 2014 i will have a B.S in Homeland security and minor in cyber security. I hope to have a Dual M.S In Homeland Security and Business administration.
Specialties: Operating NSA systems
Security/Surveillance Operations
Reporting, sanitation, serialization <---- DO YOU GET what that is
Analyzing Traffic
Counter-terrorism Strategies
Skills within DOD
Interviews & Interrogations
Identifying and Countering HE IS NOT a government employee. So you need to worry about the hundreds/thousands of other people. This individual is younger than me.
THEN, OMFG! Things like Xkeyscore/Boundless informant. Governments secretly work with the worlds largest corporations to get more info: Microsoft, Google, Skype, Yahoo, Verizon, PalTalk, ATT and countless others. HAVENT you ever done some strange internet searches, especially us being "pervs"? I like Persian and Arab women. I like Military, SocialNetwork, Signal and Human Intelligence. I watch some violent movies. My girl likes serial killers, she hates blood, gore and horror but has an interest in that. Can't you see how someone somewhere might accidentally misinterpret this. People have incorrectly been put on watched lists, no fly lists or had men with machine guns show up. In some cases detained. Then, these corporations, the largest ones int he world are forced to store all of this data. They are given a gag order - they can not speak about it. They have to lie about it, if they do not they literally go to jail after a secret trial offlimits to most congress/senate and ALL PUBLIC. There servers are less secure... Employers, crazy people, hackers, investigators or anyone can hack into them.
IT IS NOT about having nothing to hide. This is only a slice of the pie here. I am happy to discuss detailed specifics. I hope this helps?
All we as people have is "rights". Even as slaves/submissive. Add to this Chatdowns at airports, profiling stop and frisks (profiling/racist) sneek and peak warrants, gait recognition, facial recognition, UAS(drones), license plate reading. Though we have nothing to hide. Our friends, children, parents or ourselves have everything to lose.
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