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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 10:48:52 AM   
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that means that "Yes, the 'goddam guvmint' CAN come onto your property and you are bound by the laws and zoning regulations of your municipality"

In the land of the free?
Surely that ain't in the constitution, so it can't be real law that counts for anything.
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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 11:51:03 AM   
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Some of you people actually need to read a deed instead of blustering "THE GODDAD GUVMINT CANT COME ONTO MY GODDAM PROPITY ER I'LL FUCKIN CHOOT EM"

These words or something similar are on every deed out there including yours.

"This conveyance is expressly made subject to reservations, restrictions, covenants, easements and conditions contained in former instruments of record pertaining thereto and all easements and encroachments.........................."

that means that "Yes, the 'goddam guvmint' CAN come onto your property and you are bound by the laws and zoning regulations of your municipality"

Learn before you bluster.



holy cat zits batman!

No shit?
Is that your title? Anyone up on property law here lets rock n roll!

You do realize that you have not even scratched the surface to make even so much as a prima facia case to support what you claimed right?





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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 11:53:59 AM   
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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 11:57:19 AM   
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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 12:29:37 PM   
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He is pulling your leg. Dont buy it.



well its a gross over simplification and a GARGANTUAN assumption that the government has the blanket authority he is portraying.


Especially in light of the facts since:






we know for a for a fact that the land after the revolution was ALLODIAL!



and allodial means:



ALLODIAL:
Free; not subject to the rights of any lord or superior; owned without obligation of vassalage or fealty; the opposite of feudal.

[Allodial] A description given to the outright ownership of land that did not impose upon its owner the performance of feudal duties.


But I bet that if people were to look into this matter they would find that certain really naughty people ripped them off of their property rights!






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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
that means that "Yes, the 'goddam guvmint' CAN come onto your property and you are bound by the laws and zoning regulations of your municipality"

In the land of the free?
Surely that ain't in the constitution, so it can't be real law that counts for anything.
[/libertarian with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement]





Free LOL


You are free to pay rent or they take away your RIGHT to RENT [own] THEIR fucking property and give it to another renter.









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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 12:53:40 PM   
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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 3:44:58 PM   
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Allodial System
A system of ownership by which an owner has all rights associated with possessing a property, subject only to limitations such as police power or eminent domain. The allodial system in its most extreme form is expressed in late Roman law: a property owner has the right to "use and abuse" his/her property.

Farlex Financial Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All Rights Reserved

and where?

http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allodial+system

al od existed prior to the existence of any government what so ever!!!





Property taxes anyone? Oh yeh a convenient but unlawful way to confiscate money. Today its goods and services, if you call the assessors office up you speak to?????????????? CUSTOMER SERVICE! LMAO




Look at this pile of doo doo!

Allodial title is completely free and clear of all obligations, liens, encumbrances, taxes, mortgages and the like. However, where it is still recognized either historically, or presently it is still a rather pseudo-allodial title since the four basic restrictions that apply to fee simple ownership, apply to it as well: taxation, expropriation, escheat and eminent domain.

Purposely combining incorrect terms to blur the picture for the uneducated slaves and its so complex to navigate the labyrinth of bullshit legalese the slaves simply give up because they need to spend their time feeding their children rather than fighting the onslaught of tyranny leveled against them in courts by the government.

these people are so incredibly confused and this is the disinformation put out here today for mass programming to keep the slaves from rioting.

The cases and there are a shitload of them show it is land free and clear PERIOD!

they change the laws to give them more power and us less.
They even went to far as to redefine the origins in the some of the newer books I just glanced at.

Now you look at the old books it is land held without ANY requirement to ANY superior WHATSOEVER! Except of course if you enter into an easement contract then the terms of the contract apply...of course.

in its origin people would simply place boulders usually on the ground marking the property the have claimed.

Of course after the norman conquest and government took over now government wants the power to look up everyones ass with a microscope and take their property away the aid in their commercial ventures so THEY can make money.

Abrogating fee tail is a government devise and only the manner in which the property conveys from one hand to another within its domain [not private] and has NOTHING to do with the rights of the private person holding it in al od from the beginning of sax law forward.




Do you deny that you have a title IN-FEE held under the superior sovereign state that if you fail to render services [WORK TO PAY TAXES] that they will not take it away from you?

Now if you had a title in-fee and you did NOT pay taxes then I would be forced to say yep Ron holds his land in al od FREE AND CLEAR of OVERLORD ENCUMBRANCES
















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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 3:53:34 PM   
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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 9:40:53 PM   
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Is that your title? Anyone up on property law here lets rock n roll!




I've sold real estate for 18 years. Your qualifications outside cut and paste art and tinfoil hat making are?

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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 9:44:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
that means that "Yes, the 'goddam guvmint' CAN come onto your property and you are bound by the laws and zoning regulations of your municipality"

In the land of the free?
Surely that ain't in the constitution, so it can't be real law that counts for anything.
[/libertarian with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement]


2 words. Eminent Domain.

Read the 5th.

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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 9:47:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
that means that "Yes, the 'goddam guvmint' CAN come onto your property and you are bound by the laws and zoning regulations of your municipality"

In the land of the free?
Surely that ain't in the constitution, so it can't be real law that counts for anything.
[/libertarian with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement]


2 words. Eminent Domain.

Read the 5th.



oh? So the constitution is where "we" gave them permission to take our land or they declared it their right?


They being the "People"............. who ever the fuck "they" are since the common folk had no say so in the matter.




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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 9:56:26 PM   
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Is that your title? Anyone up on property law here lets rock n roll!




I've sold real estate for 18 years. Your qualifications outside cut and paste art and tinfoil hat making are?


The only way I can get the LEEGO definitions on here that are over 200 years old is to take a picture of them and put them up here. Do you think that is tin foil?

Great! Lets test that and see if are you worth your mustard!

Then you can tell us what the word "estate" is and how it came into existence since you are selling "estate"? The substantial definition too btw not some garbage out of muddern dicktonaries r us.

I dont live in or on or around an "estate", do you?

Tell us what the word land means too while you are there, that is another oldie but goodie fav of mine.



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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 10:15:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
that means that "Yes, the 'goddam guvmint' CAN come onto your property and you are bound by the laws and zoning regulations of your municipality"

In the land of the free?
Surely that ain't in the constitution, so it can't be real law that counts for anything.
[/libertarian with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement]


2 words. Eminent Domain.

Read the 5th.



oh? So the constitution is where "we" gave them permission to take our land or they declared it their right?





Sucks doesn't it?

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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/8/2013 10:24:46 PM   
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I've sold real estate for 18 years. Your qualifications outside cut and paste art and tinfoil hat making are?


Actually no you didn't. You have never bought or sold any property. Unless you have done some very unusual things you have never bought, owned or sold a motor vehicle either, and now, even a boat.

This may be hard for some to understand, but when the government issues a deed or title to something, you are buying, holding or selling that deed or title, not the property itself.

In the case of real estate, regardless of any ownership issues, covenents can be stricken down, it's been done. As many people put such restrictions on deeds to property a long time ago, usually that it could never be sold to Blacks, those were universally declared invalid. If that can be declared invalid, so can any covenent.

You car title is only a contract with the issuing state that you are the legal holder in due course and recognized as such by the state, which is actually the lawful owner of the vehicle. The actual proof of ownership of a vehicle is called a manufacturer's statement of origin, or MSO for short. You need to buy the car new for cash and insist on the MSO. As long as you do not cede the MSO to that state, they will not issue you license plates, even though TECHNICALLY you do not need them. Technically of course, just try driving around and it is not worth the hassle. Up until about a decade ago as far as I know only one state would issue you license plates with an MSO and that was I think Tennessee. They stopped from what I've heard more recently.

At one time in the past, car titles were optional. They were recommmended as a type of insurance, or assurance in case something happened. Not everyone got them, and you can still find some very old cars that have never had a title and were sold simply by bill of sale. You can understand why the title gained popularity and many sought them voluntarily back then. In those days you could get plates with either an MSO or a bill of sale, which in most places didn't even have to be notarized. It was a different world then.

The title for a vehicle is the legal justification for having to pay sales tax AGAIN when you buy it used. (or in a few staees every year on the bluebook value) The same principle applies to a property deed and indeed those property taxes are legally rent.

This does not affect the eminent domain issues though, as those are Constitutional and even if you did hold allodial title to the land, eminent domain could be used. It is supposed to be used for needful purposes for society, not for strip malls or (in the case of Lakewood, Ohio years ago for one) to achieve more taxpayers per square mile. Private business using eminent domain is a severe miscarriage of justice in this country, but only one of many.

Note that all this property and these vehicles owned by the various governments is technically used as collateral for debt securement, though China et alii are not going to foreclose on your three bedroom western style bungalo when the US defaults on its debts. It doesn't quite work that way.

The fact of the matter is entwined into the legislation in this country is language that really boils down to the fact that you own nothing. Absolutely nothing. You can hold things, but it takes extraordinary meassures to actually own anything and quite frankly, they are so fucked up about it that it just isn't worth the trouble.

So enjoy your holdings and don't piss of the lords so that they will let you keep holding it.

Let's put it this way, if you owned anything, forfeiture laws would mean nothing. Property taxes would be unenforceablle. It would be easier to get away with stealing a car but there wouldn't be as many roads to drive on so, I dunno.

The fact is, it no longer pays to care.

T^T

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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/9/2013 5:03:33 AM   
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The fact is, it no longer pays to care.


Which brings us to the birth certificate. This is your legal fiction, you only exist if you have this and it closes out when there is a death certificate. Sort of.

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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/9/2013 5:26:05 AM   
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Fact is the man went off his rocker, and shot em up. No matter what he did that. He needed some help obviously, mentally, but now its to late.

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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/9/2013 5:58:52 AM   
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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/9/2013 7:37:55 AM   
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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/9/2013 8:31:45 AM   
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This does not affect the eminent domain issues though, as those are Constitutional and even if you did hold allodial title to the land, eminent domain could be used.

The fact is, it no longer pays to care.

T^T



so then even you admit that the asswipe that has risen to biblical proportions that we labelled a constitution is in FACT the creator of the british realm (police state) in the US and subversion of the rights of the people huh.

Now if you want to argue "it applies", it applies to whom? I didnt sign the fuckin thing.

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RE: 3 dead PA town hall meeting - 8/9/2013 8:37:26 AM   
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I need to look for pictures. Anyone seen the condition the mans property was in? If he had close neighbors, really they had a right to say something, if his place was hoarding infestations of rats, roaches, standing water etc. which all brings diseases. If pickens get thin, they are coming over to your place for a bite. lol.

Fact is the man went off his rocker, and shot em up. No matter what he did that. He needed some help obviously, mentally, but now its to late.



Ok now we are getting down at least to the surface of the meat of the issue.

IF IF IF IF he was using his property in a manner that would irrefutably threaten the lives of his neighbors that is another story. Then its perfectly ok to go in but why is it NOT ok for an interloper to go in?




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