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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
It is a common misconception, borne from arrogance, that a Dominant MAKES a sub grow.

What we do is to provide the acceptance and enviornment to facillate thier own unfolding to thier inherent potential-nothing more.

It's also a misconception that subs don't do exactly the same thing for doms.

They do, all the time.  :)

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

~soft respectful nod to the folks who are talking about Dominants and growth~
 
I think that is a great topic, one which i would love to participate in an another thread, but this topic is fascinating and i would love to stay the course if possible.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


The methods referred in the original post are extreme but the concept is the same. Is points to purging all the physical personal perception of self. The "master" wants her to see what he sees beyond the superficial. Considering all the posts and counter posts about appearance related criteria maybe more people need to experience some form of this in order to be comfortable with who they are. Who they are is not represented by appearance. Most people never learn that lesson. But the lesson isn't "growth" is honest self awareness.

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ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


The methods referred in the original post are extreme but the concept is the same. Is points to purging all the physical personal perception of self. The "master" wants her to see what he sees beyond the superficial. Considering all the posts and counter posts about appearance related criteria maybe more people need to experience some form of this in order to be comfortable with who they are. Who they are is not represented by appearance. Most people never learn that lesson. But the lesson isn't "growth" is honest self awareness.

Now see, this I can relate to and understand. Things like no makeup and such, letting the natural look show to help the sub/slave see themselves as the Master does. That part of it I think is good, but to go to extremes with it, I believe can very easily backfire and damage the sub/slave psychologically as well as physically in the case of some extremes.

Yes I'm quite sure it was at the very least partly fantasy. I can provide the link to any who wish to read it for themselves in it's entirety as I only touched on some general areas and didn't get into the emotional things expressed.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

~soft respectful nod to the folks who are talking about Dominants and growth~
 
I think that is a great topic, one which i would love to participate in an another thread, but this topic is fascinating and i would love to stay the course if possible.

Can you see the merits of treating a person as a null in a D/s dynamic,rather than a sex toy?

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

I have to admit this went over my head.....

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

~soft respectful nod to the folks who are talking about Dominants and growth~
 
I think that is a great topic, one which i would love to participate in an another thread, but this topic is fascinating and i would love to stay the course if possible.

Can you see the merits of treating a person as a null in a D/s dynamic,rather than a sex toy?

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
So,for a Dominant to look at a female, and dismiss what they carry between thier legs as having any value- that is a removal of that power.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
So,for a Dominant to look at a female, and dismiss what they carry between thier legs as having any value- that is a removal of that power.

And it's a great manipulator that people use to get first dates.  Convincing a woman that you AREN'T into her with sex can often be a great way to get sex from her. 

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
It is a common misconception, borne from arrogance, that a Dominant MAKES a sub grow.

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ORIGINAL: zenofeller

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
It is a common misconception, borne from arrogance, that a Dominant MAKES a sub grow.

where did MAKE come from caretakr ? or are you ousting your own preconceptions ?

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

To me the story speaks of body modification, although the events and specifics vary from the accepted body modification we are all comfortable with, ie; piercings, diet, tattoos, brandings, style of dress, ect.
 
As i read the story, i think to myself that really it is no different then any other body modification and it is being done for the same reason i can relate to in my own practice of D/s.
 
to exert power and control
to bring in to hyper awareness a state of ownership
to bring focus and awareness to wishes of the Dominant
to nourish a need of subjugation of the submissive
and because to one, or both people engaged in the experience it as sexaaay
 
So although personally would never require gaining 200 lbs and slicing of earlobes i think i understand the innate motivations of both people involved....and so i have moved through my initial feeling of revulsion to a place of acceptance.... with one caveat:
 
I think this level of extreme body modification on a 19 year old girl appears to me as irresponsible on the part of the dominant.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

To me the story speaks of body modification, although the events and specifics vary from the accepted body modification we are all comfortable with, ie; piercings, diet, tattoos, brandings, style of dress, ect.
 
As i read the story, i think to myself that really it is no different then any other body modification and it is being done for the same reason i can relate to in my own practice of D/s.
 
to exert power and control
to bring in to hyper awareness a state of ownership
to bring focus and awareness to wishes of the Dominant
to nourish a need of subjugation of the submissive
and because to one, or both people engaged in the experience it as sexaaay
 
So although personally would never require gaining 200 lbs and slicing of earlobes i think i understand the innate motivations of both people involved....and so i have moved through my initial feeling of revulsion to a place of acceptance.... with one caveat:
 
I think this level of extreme body modification on a 19 year old girl appears to me as irresponsible on the part of the dominant.

You insist on focusing on the drama,rather than the content-is it going to be worth my continuing to reply to you?

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Caretakr: What did interest me is this-the power component. Women have been conditioned to see sex as power with men-to use it to get their way. It was the great historical leveler, in times when they were allowed very little other determination.
So,for a Dominant to look at a female, and dismiss what they carry between their legs as having any value- that is a removal of that power.

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

Please dont take this the wrong way...i was not replying to you, to be honest i dont really understand you and am some what afraid of you.
 
I was replying to the original post and evaluating and sharing the experiance i was having in being exposed to new interesting, revolting and to be honest, sexualy arousing ideas.
 
You are the only person that can judge weather responding to me has any worth for you.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

To me the story speaks of body modification, although the events and specifics vary from the accepted body modification we are all comfortable with, ie; piercings, diet, tattoos, brandings, style of dress, ect.
 
As i read the story, i think to myself that really it is no different then any other body modification and it is being done for the same reason i can relate to in my own practice of D/s.
 
to exert power and control
to bring in to hyper awareness a state of ownership
to bring focus and awareness to wishes of the Dominant
to nourish a need of subjugation of the submissive
and because to one, or both people engaged in the experience it as sexaaay
 
So although personally would never require gaining 200 lbs and slicing of earlobes i think i understand the innate motivations of both people involved....and so i have moved through my initial feeling of revulsion to a place of acceptance.... with one caveat:
 
I think this level of extreme body modification on a 19 year old girl appears to me as irresponsible on the part of the dominant.

You insist on focusing on the drama,rather than the content-is it going to be worth my continuing to reply to you?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Caretakr: What did interest me is this-the power component. Women have been conditioned to see sex as power with men-to use it to get their way. It was the great historical leveler, in times when they were allowed very little other determination.
So,for a Dominant to look at a female, and dismiss what they carry between their legs as having any value- that is a removal of that power.

Caretakr,
Not the "removal of that power" but the re-assignment of that power is the dynamic I require. I take away the self determination and replace it with mine. Now you are really getting to the crux of my definition of a TPE and the reason behind some of the rules I have for beth which get defined as 'micro-management' by some.

beth has very little control of what she has between her legs. she has none when we are together. No need to go into the salacious details. It's not because I discount the value, just the opposite. I assign it the highest value, along with the rest of her, as my most valuable possession.

I dare say, and I encourage beth to respond directly, that when we met I placed a higher value on her than she did. No matter what else we've accomplished or obtained as a couple, I'm most proud of the fact that is no longer the case. beth has no doubt of her "worth". It has nothing to do with me helping her "grow". her worth was there all the time, just like her submission, needing only someone to point it out to her; someone to make her aware and allow her the freedom to be "beth". Elizabeth may have been the insecure, fearful, needing to please, woman, daughter, wife, mother, abused friend. beth is a confident, self assured slave.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Caretakr: What did interest me is this-the power component. Women have been conditioned to see sex as power with men-to use it to get their way. It was the great historical leveler, in times when they were allowed very little other determination.
So,for a Dominant to look at a female, and dismiss what they carry between their legs as having any value- that is a removal of that power.

Caretakr,
Not the "removal of that power" but the re-assignment of that power is the dynamic I require. I take away the self determination and replace it with mine. Now you are really getting to the crux of my definition of a TPE and the reason behind some of the rules I have for beth which get defined as 'micro-management' by some.

beth has very little control of what she has between her legs. she has none when we are together. No need to go into the salacious details. It's not because I discount the value, just the opposite. I assign it the highest value, along with the rest of her, as my most valuable possession.

I dare say, and I encourage beth to respond directly, that when we met I placed a higher value on her than she did. No matter what else we've accomplished or obtained as a couple, I'm most proud of the fact that is no longer the case. beth has no doubt of her "worth". It has nothing to do with me helping her "grow". her worth was there all the time, just like her submission, needing only someone to point it out to her; someone to make her aware and allow her the freedom to be "beth". Elizabeth may have been the insecure, fearful, needing to please, woman, daughter, wife, mother, abused friend. beth is a confident, self assured slave.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I dare say, and I encourage beth to respond directly, that when we met I placed a higher value on her than she did. No matter what else we've accomplished or obtained as a couple, I'm most proud of the fact that is no longer the case. beth has no doubt of her "worth". It has nothing to do with me helping her "grow". her worth was there all the time, just like her submission, needing only someone to point it out to her; someone to make her aware and allow her the freedom to be "beth". Elizabeth may have been the insecure, fearful, needing to please, woman, daughter, wife, mother, abused friend. beth is a confident, self assured slave.