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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The question I wonder about is would a woman find DEFEMNIZATION exciting.

If I were to defeminize a woman she would have to:

Wear no makeup
Cut her hair short
No dresses or skirts
For formalwear she'd always have to wear a tie.
Maybe her breasts would have to be tied down.
Mabye she would have to talk more deeply.
She'd have all the manly chores too: lawn mowing, gutter cleaning, etc.
I might also require her to memorize sports statistics and follow a sports league.
She would not be allowed to drink wine.
She's have to lean how to play poker, and participate in a regular game.
She would be subject to "silent days" where she could only speak for the length of one sentence at a time. Nodding and one word answers in lieu of that.
She'd lift weights.
She'd cuss.

Basically, I think it could be a very interesting project.

Needless to say tomboys are much more accepted than femboys. Roles for girls are just that much more expansive.

BTW: Who doesn't love Tomboys?

P.S. I am sad to report this is my 1,000nth post. Does this mean I need to get a life?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
when we met I placed a higher value on her than she did. No matter what else we've accomplished or obtained as a couple, I'm most proud of the fact that is no longer the case. beth has no doubt of her "worth". It has nothing to do with me helping her "grow". her worth was there all the time, just like her submission, needing only someone to point it out to her; someone to make her aware and allow her the freedom to be "beth". Elizabeth may have been the insecure, fearful, needing to please, woman, daughter, wife, mother, abused friend. beth is a confident, self assured slave.

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when Master and this slave met, this slave was in service to everyone...literally.    every relationship this slave had, be it financial, physical, emotional, platonic, blood related or otherwise, this slave was the subservient one...good obedient slaves might be hard to find, but good responsible Masters are too.  

Oh boy... can this one relate to that.  

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Although I can get my head around this topic in regard to someone finding themselves beautiful on the inside not just the outside..I think in this day and age..a lot of women have actually lost contact with their femininity and dont need any help emasculating themselves.

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It's a valid viewpoint.  BDSM culture tends to over-exagerrate the sexual appeal of females- corsets, heels, hair maintenance.  Someone going against that and actually denying all of those outlets to someone can have a profound affect on their self-perception and acceptance of their surrender. 

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

And than there is the option "there is such a thing as taking shit too far", or so they say in my vernacular.  

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ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

And than there is the option "there is such a thing as taking shit too far", or so they say in my vernacular.  

I agree. What I read was a big example of taking things way too far. I can understand defeminization to a degree like short hair, no makeup, no jewellrey, binding breasts, etc., but when the extremes I mentioned reading of come into play, to me that is taking it way too far, beyond outer limits. Mutilating ears, gaining excessive weight, removing breasts are beyond defeminization I think. Permanent altering of the body to that degree is just too much in my opinion. I can't grasp someone wanting to do that to themselves or allowing it to be done to please another whether they want this done to them or not. I personally would question a Dom that wanted to take things to such an extreme. I could not submit to such extremes.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr


While I cannot see asking anyone to submit themselves to this,I an aware of those who have undergone surgery to remove thier gentials and sexual charachteristics.

I think it was due to them never realy feeling an identification with either sex, and just wanting to be human..Instead of a class of human.

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ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr


While I cannot see asking anyone to submit themselves to this,I an aware of those who have undergone surgery to remove thier gentials and sexual charachteristics.

I think it was due to them never realy feeling an identification with either sex, and just wanting to be human..Instead of a class of human.

I've heard of that as well. Still hard to wrap my mind around but I could understand that better than adding mutilating ears and nose and excessive weight gain to that.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

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ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane

I was reading a new 360 contact's blog this morning and came across this topic. Forced feminization has been discussed a good bit here, but I've not seen much on the topic of defeminization. This entry is about a 19 year old sub very very new to the lifestyle and involved with her very first Dom. He believes in defeminization. He has so far, she claims, had her long long hair shaved to a buzz cut, forbids her any kind of makeup, no jewellery, nails very very short, told her she must gain at least 200lbs., shave her eyebrows, and some rather extreme things are also mentioned. While the entry itself may be just a story or fantasy due to some of the very extreme things mentioned as being done, the topic of defeminization was what got me thinking.

Now some of the extreme things mentioned as being done (keep in mind this is very likely fantasy and not a true story) are teeth and breast removal, and removal of the outer part of the ears to prevent wearing earrings and then enlargement of the ears and nose.

The Dom's philosophy is that vanity has no place in a sub, and subs are only there to please their Master.

I am curious as to opinions, thoughts and views on defeminization from Doms, subs and all, and would love to hear from any that are into this. Why they are into it, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Who they are is not represented by appearance. Most people never learn that lesson. But the lesson isn't "growth" it is honest self awareness.

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ORIGINAL: amayos

Enslavement through sexual objectification is just too fun for me to give up, however.

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Now I am really curious as to how many guys are out there (hetero guys) that would like this...the tomboy thing (not cutting off someone's breasts or anything that extreme). I am not advocating pro or con, I am just plain curious.

-Susan