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would this reduce value of a neighbors house?


It has no effect on the neighbors house value
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It lessens the value of the neighbors house
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not sure
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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 9:04:52 AM   
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Uhm, yeah, I already mentioned in an earlier post, that I would not be opposed to beautifying a property. So I don't know what that has to do with my last post.

then since you agree with me there is no point to argue any further about it..

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 9:13:56 AM   
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Then since you agree with me there is no point to argue any further about it..


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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 9:41:29 AM   
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I don't know in the uk but in italy a ramp has a limitation to 8% inclination so it means that for 40cm to climb it must be 5m long at least and if my eye is correct this shoud be the right proportions, than you need a parapet, otherwise you don't get the abitability certificate.
The only thing is it looks too cold with the steel parapet if it was something more matching with the wooden walls and covering the concrete sides with I don't know some kind of local stone it would have looked nicer and not like the one from a public building. But as I said the parapet is not rusty, it stands no danger, and it doesn't change overall architecture so you can like it or not but it is subjective.

by the way this picture is from the UK:



That ramp is way too long as a necessity in the UK. Overkill.
And if you are in a wheelchair or scooter, you don't need those handrails either.
That could easily be chopped in half and still be very practical.

Our ambulance and taxi ramps for disabled are around 30 degrees - quite steep.
Same for a lot of our public buildings too - just a short slope so you don't have to negotiate a step or two.
Our front door step is only about 4" tall (10cm) and even a very short board of only 1ft (30cm) is more than enough to facilitate getting a wheelchair or scooter in and out of the front door.

As for that monstrosity posted by pahunk, it's waay too big and looks F*ugly to me.
If I was looking for a house, even one adapted for disabled people, I would drive right past this one.
My OH took one look at it and spewed some obscenities I'd rather not repeat.
Lets just say she didn't like the look of it.


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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 10:49:11 AM   
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I don't think it's ugly and it looks like they've already planted a flower bed in front of it. I wouldn't personally have a problem with it and I have no idea what it would do to neighborhood home value. If the neighbors are worried about that I suppose they could have studies and appraisals done.

Many folks buy homes as investments so I can understand there might be a concern, I just don't know that they're handling it very well. Compassion rarely finds its way in real estate investments.

The article mentioned HOAs but did not mention CC&Rs. If there are no CC&Rs or if there is nothing in the CC&Rs about that type of ramp, then I'd suspect there is no case.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 11:21:06 AM   
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Someone needs to acquaint the neighbors with the Americans With Disabilities Act.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 11:29:40 AM   
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Good point - as you're a Realtor perhaps you'd care to expand on how that applies here?

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 11:36:15 AM   
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The ADA basically means that all reasonable accommodations must be made for those with handicaps.
If you rent a house out and someone moves in with a handicap, you must allow them at their own expense to modify the home to their needs if they also agree to return it to the condition it was in when they leave.

In this case, the people own the home.
Federal and/or state law trumps any HOA regulations.

If a HOA says "no ramps", the regulation is void just as if it had said "No minorities". (yeah, you can dig deep in about any county archive in the country and find those still on the books but they were voided by the Civil Rights Acts)

Bottom line is that the neighbors appear to be 'cripplephobic'. to use a non PC word.
They don't want handicapped people near them just like some Bible Beaters don't want gays near them because they're afraid they'll catch it or something.

All I have to say is "Tough Shit Sherlock"

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 11:42:59 AM   
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I'd have built it out of wood or concrete myself. I don't think a metal ramp is very attractive. And yes, the metal is more noticeable than concrete or wood would have been.
But if someone was hassling me about accommodations, I'd be on the phone to the local office for enforcement of the ADA Act.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 11:47:20 AM   
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As for the neighbors complaining, it would seem that they do not have to worry about karma any longer, they do have to worry about Truckma (Karma's big brother)

Yes, planting some nice shrubbery around the ramp would do wonders, and I would even go so far as to voluntarily plant some shrubs, ivy and other plants in the neighbor's yard. Poison Ivy, Poison sumac and Poison oak come to mind.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 11:48:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

That ramp is way too long as a necessity in the UK. Overkill.
And if you are in a wheelchair or scooter, you don't need those handrails either.
That could easily be chopped in half and still be very practical.

Our ambulance and taxi ramps for disabled are around 30 degrees - quite steep.
Same for a lot of our public buildings too - just a short slope so you don't have to negotiate a step or two.
Our front door step is only about 4" tall (10cm) and even a very short board of only 1ft (30cm) is more than enough to facilitate getting a wheelchair or scooter in and out of the front door.

As for that monstrosity posted by pahunk, it's waay too big and looks F*ugly to me.
If I was looking for a house, even one adapted for disabled people, I would drive right past this one.
My OH took one look at it and spewed some obscenities I'd rather not repeat.
Lets just say she didn't like the look of it.



Sorry but what qualify you to judge if something is "not nice enough" to be built in sombady elses property? What are your objective criteria to set the bar? Are you in the urbanistic commission of your city?

I don't know what regulation are in the UK, but as the picture I posted was by the catalog of a UK factory that produces and sells them I'd say you are not so picky up there in terms of esthetics, too.

Now what I'm going to say is part of my job so daspite your personal experience if you don't have a degree in architecture or civil engenieering your opinion (and I'm sure you'll have one against) is worth nothing, when building any kind of infrastructure it must be usable and safe for any person that will have access to it without any help by others. When building a wheelchair ramp inclination must be proportionate to the difference in level becuse there is no linear proportion in how tiring would be the climb and over a certain lenght (in italy it's 10m) some flat resting areas must be used, so 10cm step are not simillar to 40-50cm a good criterium on new bulding is to use an inclination of 8% that will fit every linear distance (and this is what italian law imposes), if not possible this chart can be used:

as you can see 40cm would require at least 3.5m, 50cm gap 4.8m lenght and 60cm gap 6m lenght.
This doesn't means that someone in a wheelchair will not be able to climb harder ramps, as your personal experiece demostrate, but that will be difficoult or too tiring to be used many times a day for some and some other would not be independant that's the whole point in the ramp.
About the parapet hight, yes a person on wheelchair would have no issue with one high the half of that, but belive it or not the
parapet height is set to protect walking persons so the height remains the one for stairs (1m in italy).
This can be derogated if tecnical reason make impossible to reach this standards, so in a taxi or ambulance, (where the disabled person by the way can be helped by the driver and has not to do it many times a day) dimension are limited by the ones of the vehicle because can't be otherwise.

About reducing a nearby property value, you just can't impose to others your personal tastes becuase it annoys you seeng concrete and steel were you would have liked more wood and bricks, so go and sue anyone that coltivates a vegetable garden becuse potential buyers of your property may not like to see dirth instead of lawn.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 11:51:55 AM   
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Slope in the US must be 1:12 or less per ADA regulations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelchair_ramp

For every 1 foot rise, you must have a 12 foot or more run.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:02:39 PM   
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If I was looking for a house, even one adapted for disabled people, I would drive right past this one.
My OH took one look at it and spewed some obscenities I'd rather not repeat.
Lets just say she didn't like the look of it.

This reminded me of a favorite moment from Dear Abby:

Abby, these weirdos [a gay couple and their friends] are wrecking our property values! How can we improve the quality of this once-respectable neighborhood? -- Up in Arms

Dear UP: You could move.


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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:04:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

The ADA basically means that all reasonable accommodations must be made for those with handicaps.
If you rent a house out and someone moves in with a handicap, you must allow them at their own expense to modify the home to their needs if they also agree to return it to the condition it was in when they leave.


that could get quite expensive for a tenant to do.. not just doing a ramp out front but kitchen modifications and especially bathroom modifications.. to convert to their needs and then convert back.. what can a landlord do if its not converted back properly or done shoddily or not done at all?

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:09:08 PM   
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quote:

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The ADA basically means that all reasonable accommodations must be made for those with handicaps.
If you rent a house out and someone moves in with a handicap, you must allow them at their own expense to modify the home to their needs if they also agree to return it to the condition it was in when they leave.


that could get quite expensive for a tenant to do.. not just doing a ramp out front but kitchen modifications and especially bathroom modifications.. to convert to their needs and then convert back.. what can a landlord do if its not converted back properly or done shoddily or not done at all?

Make sure you get enough of a deposit up front.
Alternatively, you make sure they do the job correctly and attractively and then when they move out, you advertise a "handicapped modified rental" for a premium price.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:16:33 PM   
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Make sure you get enough of a deposit up front.
Alternatively, you make sure they do the job correctly and attractively and then when they move out, you advertise a "handicapped modified rental" for a premium price.

yeah.. or just build it with universal/accessible design in the first place.. when you do that it doesn't cost that much more, actually.. 36inch wide doors instead of 32inch, wider hallways, wider bathrooms, wider stairs for those wheelchair slider thingies.. etc etc..

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:28:06 PM   
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Loved the bit in the original article that the neighbors had no comment. I can't imagine anybody being so incredibly nasty about something that is obviously necessary for a disabled child.

Hill, doesn't it seem to you that the ramp that was installed fits the ADA criteria?


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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:29:48 PM   
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You are quoting Italian law and showing UK pics of a company that makes hideous metal ramps.
I can assure you that I haven't seen very many metal ones in my travels around the country.

According to UK law, ramps are 1:12 to 1:20.
But most of those legal requirements are only applicable to public buildings or buildings with public access.
Private properties don't really have much in the way of legal limits.

As I said, our ramp is only 1ft long to reach over a 4" step.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:32:08 PM   
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To me it raised to value of the house that has it. Most towns have codes as to the specs on this.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:38:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I'd have built it out of wood or concrete myself. I don't think a metal ramp is very attractive. And yes, the metal is more noticeable than concrete or wood would have been.
But if someone was hassling me about accommodations, I'd be on the phone to the local office for enforcement of the ADA Act.


I think it could be my fault, the picture I posted is from a different house as freedomdwarf1 said in UK this would never be permitted I posted an uglier ramp that was in a british firm catalog to prove he was wrong, the ramp in the OP is made using concrete and a black handrail.


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

I don't think it's ugly and it looks like they've already planted a flower bed in front of it



I agree than the house and the garden are well kept so I don't see any reason they will not improve the esthetics by their own

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Slope in the US must be 1:12 or less per ADA regulations.



so for a difference in level of 20 inches must be 20 feet long, right? if i look at the picture seems to me that those are the proportion on the ramp.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:41:46 PM   
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It is a new build house and it is conforming to ADA standards. I have seen rental properties with the same format.

The neighbor is being an asshole.

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