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would this reduce value of a neighbors house?


It has no effect on the neighbors house value
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It lessens the value of the neighbors house
  15% (2)
not sure
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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 12:45:48 PM   
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The issue seems to be :
1/ Ugly, and way different from the facade of the house. Architectural dissonance displayed proudly.
2/ Permanent, in a very permanent way. The ramp will outlast everything in the neighborhood. Whatever happens, atom bomb on down, you know that ramp will endure.
3/ No attempt has been made to soften the look. On the contrary, the landscaping emphasizes the graphic horribleness by putting pretty flowers in front of it while making sure the flowers do not obscure the monstrosity when the same effort could have had a very different effect on the view. Unless this is changed, it will stay the same.

What would the look be, had the ramp been faced with the same brick the house is wearing? It wouldn't stand out like an airport beacon, then, would it? And that would mean hiding it would not be so desirable, or so desired.

An interesting feature of reality is, we can stand our own bullshit very easily. It is our neighbors barking dog that bothers us, not our own ill mannered pooch. While that is the safest looking ramp I've seen in a while, I am sufficiently secure in my sense of self to unashamedly say that it is butt ugly, and needn't be. If that makes you think less of me, then I'd like to draw your attention to the difference between insult and criticism. Insult is saying it's bad. Criticism is saying it should be better. Becoming insulted because one is criticized is bad behavior. Shall we all just pointedly overlook that the neighborhood in question is now in the process of being built? That it is foolish to built a new house and then tack on an ugly ramp when the house could have been built at grade or the ramp could have been designed to resemble the architecture it is now squatting on just like a gigantic Ivory Toad? And also overlook that it is an accepted fact that good architecture makes a difference, both inside peoples heads and at the real estate office? This is not an ADA issue. It is about Feng Shui.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 1:04:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

You are quoting Italian law and showing UK pics of a company that makes hideous metal ramps.
I can assure you that I haven't seen very many metal ones in my travels around the country.

According to UK law, ramps are 1:12 to 1:20.
But most of those legal requirements are only applicable to public buildings or buildings with public access.
Private properties don't really have much in the way of legal limits.

As I said, our ramp is only 1ft long to reach over a 4" step.



first thing Hillwilliam wrote that US federal law says 1:12 top, I used italian law to explain some concept that are the base for any law, and for sure UK law as I could read. The picture was because you told that in UK building an ugly ramp was not allowed but the one in the picture is for sure uglier. Yes this guidelines maybe also mandatory mostly for public buildings but who the fuck are you to force me to build an uncomfortable rump in my house?

If you are just so concentrated on showing that you are right that you don't understand a single thing is very annoying answering to you.

uk law I'm quoting page 21

quote:


ramps should be as shallow as possible. The maximum permissible gradient is 1:12 with occasional exeption of short steeper ramps when refitting existing buildings.


an then I read that:

quote:

it should be noted that route with a gradient of 1:20 over a significant distance can still be a potential barrier.


I also see that handrailings must be 90cm/1m high even in the uk.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 1:09:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the ramp they were actually talking about in the OP.




Note that it conforms architecturally with the house and it appears to conform to ADA standards.
I think some shrubs and/or tall flowers along the front would look nice but it will take a while for them to grow.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 1:52:45 PM   
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here is the ramp were actually talking about.




Note that it conforms architecturally with the house and it appears to conform to ADA standards.
I think some shrubs and/or tall flowers along the front would look nice but it will take a while for them to grow.



Who the fuck would consider that an eyesore? Sure some bushes would be nice but even without, that is NOT an eyesore. Cripes! Some people are not happy unless they are being dicks!

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 2:06:30 PM   
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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 2:07:21 PM   
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. Cripes! Some people are not happy unless they are being dicks!

I do believe that marc has hit the nail on the head.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 2:14:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't vote, because I think it depends on the neighborhood. There are places were everything has to be just so and even minor changes to a place offends the neighbors. Those are the kinds of places I prefer not to live.

Some good landscaping can cover it up nicely, I suggest the owners 'invite' who ever is complaining to handle that as a neighborly gesture.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 2:18:16 PM   
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. Cripes! Some people are not happy unless they are being dicks!

I do believe that marc has hit the nail on the head.

Indeed! I've found that some folks need/love to complain, and it's cruel to deprive them of material.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 2:27:03 PM   
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If a HOA says "no ramps", the regulation is void just as if it had said "No minorities". (yeah, you can dig deep in about any county archive in the country and find those still on the books but they were voided by the Civil Rights Acts)


This reminds me of:

Master had a client that was a WWII veteran/POW whose HOA was suing him for flying the American Flag and the POW flag. They stated that the pole went against the HOA rules which stated that you couldn't not have a pole of any kind that would be used for clothesline or similar uses.

The judge spanked the HOA, telling them that men like L- are the reason they're free to form their power hungry little HOAs.


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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 2:31:52 PM   
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And if you are in a wheelchair or scooter, you don't need those handrails either.


If my mother was still alive,she would disagree with you on this.When she first got her scooter and I installed her aluminum ramp,she said there was no need to install the hand rails though I told her differently but obeyed her wishes. And she didn't need the rails until one wet night when going down the rail she went over the side while sliding. After the hospital visit to reset her broken arm,she asked if I would install the hand rails to prevent this from happening a second time. As for the looks,her neighbors liked the aluminum ramp and this is in a nice neighborhood with homes built in the early 1900's that have been very well maintained.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 2:39:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eulero83
...Yes this guidelines maybe also mandatory mostly for public buildings but who the fuck are you to force me to build an uncomfortable rump in my house?

I'm not forcing you at all.
I'm just showing a bit of realism.
*IF* you started to build something like this in the UK, the chances are the local planning department wouldn't approve it beyond the application stage because most neighbours wouldn't put up with something so big.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
quote:


ramps should be as shallow as possible. The maximum permissible gradient is 1:12 with occasional exeption of short steeper ramps when refitting existing buildings.


Underlining mine.

Unless it's a brand new building being built specifically for disabled access (and there are scant few of those these days), just about every new ramp is a retro-fitted to an existing building.
And that's how they get around the regulations.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 3:20:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83
...Yes this guidelines maybe also mandatory mostly for public buildings but who the fuck are you to force me to build an uncomfortable rump in my house?

I'm not forcing you at all.
I'm just showing a bit of realism.
*IF* you started to build something like this in the UK, the chances are the local planning department wouldn't approve it beyond the application stage because most neighbours wouldn't put up with something so big.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
quote:


ramps should be as shallow as possible. The maximum permissible gradient is 1:12 with occasional exeption of short steeper ramps when refitting existing buildings.


Underlining mine.

Unless it's a brand new building being built specifically for disabled access (and there are scant few of those these days), just about every new ramp is a retro-fitted to an existing building.
And that's how they get around the regulations.



I won't look all the british regulation, I have posted one picture that contrast what you said and there are plenty just searching "disabled ramps in uk", the family in colorado had permission, and as hillwilliam said federal law trumps HOA regulation, in italy you don't even have to ask permission as it is a refitting for disabled access and it affects only the garden, so you just have to comunicate the changes 20 days before.
Occasional exeption means when it's not possible without demolish part of the building, and is something the owner can decide, I think that even in the UK no-one can force me to built something, in contrast with guidelines, that will affect my life for esthetical reasons.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/13/2013 4:37:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I didn't vote, because I think it depends on the neighborhood. There are places were everything has to be just so and even minor changes to a place offends the neighbors. Those are the kinds of places I prefer not to live.

Some good landscaping can cover it up nicely, I suggest the owners 'invite' who ever is complaining to handle that as a neighborly gesture.


Of the two pieces of property I have, the one I where I am living has few neighbors, the majority actually live in a subdivision across the road, 117 individuals in 8 foot by 6 foot plots with all living quarters underground. My late mom and her brother reside there, and so far I have had no complaints from those neighbors.

The other property has a 3 acre subdivision on it that I had to sign a care taker rider on the deed. Those residents have not complained bout anything in the 20 years I owned that property. I think the last person that moved in there was back in 1905 or 6.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/16/2013 12:11:02 AM   
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I didn't vote because you all know what would happen if they started this shit with me. The motherfuckers would have a run of bad luck like never before seen in the 6,000 or 6 billion or whatever year history of the planet.

The fact is that it doesn't matter if it decreases the house values. If you want to live in a place where the houses cost a million bucks, float up that cool million. If the value goes down and it bothers you, sell out and move, fuck you. WE have no obligation to YOU unless we decide we do.

I remember when we first bought the place in Cleveland, the city bitched about the screen doors not being kept up properly. I tore them off with my bare hands. I didn't even scrap them for the aluminum, I didn't bother with that shit becasue I simply didn't need money. I let them to the treelawn.

I want to see these assholes sue those people. I would not go to any meetings, fukum. I would literally say "Fuck you sue me". I mean I want to see what fucking grounds exist in tort law for this, even in penisylvania or wherever. If any legal basis exists for a suit, things have gone farther than even I thought.

Here ya go, remove the ramp and paint the house. Mint green with OSHA safety blue trim and flourescent pink windows. Paint the lawn black and let it die. Get a goat and a few other animals, until the city makes you get rid of them and when that happens, kill, butcher and burn them outside for everyone to smell, with the skin and hair on of course.

Get an obnoxious alarm system and make sure it goes off in the middle of EVERY night. During the day, play the worst music you can find. In a White neighborhood run rap, in a Black neighborhood run Englebert Humperdink. If you don't know what to do just make it talk radio or something. Do all the sound during the dqy when it's legal, the alarms go off at night though. Usually three AM is best, but it could vary. Find out when they work. Got winter ? Water your grass in January, if some of it gets on their walk, sorry, I REALLY didn't mean it (much).

They are the lowest life motherfucker on the planet for shit like this, they should be treated as such.

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RE: would this reduce value of a neighbors house? - 8/16/2013 5:49:20 AM   
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It isnt over- more charges are pending.

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