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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 9:45:04 AM   
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I certainly dont believe the repubs do

I like grass:) altho I like to roll around on it, rather than treading on...yes I am more green than liberal *in canada* but they dont have the strength needed to keep the cons out, altho NDP would get my vote if they had a decent leader.
I voted Con once and once only and never will again.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 9:56:06 AM   
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Oops, sorry Lucy... forgot you were Canadian and I am the first to admit I have no clue on the Canadian parties. Not being a citizen yet and therefor unable to vote I haven't bothered to research it all.

I'm with you though, I vote for the party which is "for the people" and "for compassion". In the states that is "green" by my read. The democrats have abandoned those principles some distant time in the past. The republicans have been "pro-business" (which is almost automatically anti-people) for as long as I've been tracking the program.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 10:06:21 AM   
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Heh its ok Jeff:)Being English, living in Canada and interested in the US politics as well, it confuses more than a few.

As it is with all right wing politics(being pro business and anti regular joes)...in all three countries, even the more "liberal" ones

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 12:09:18 PM   
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Actually I am sort of surprised by this poll.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 12:27:52 PM   
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Ted Cruz can not be president, he was born in Canada. The Right wing have attempted again and again to prove Obama was born in Ethiopia but failed. They claim he can not be president because he was born in a foreign country. But I do admit they are try to work about Cruz being born in Canada, also Cruz father is a Cuban


This is amazing. It's not a complicated concept and I can't understand why SO many people, on both the right and the left, never seem be able to understand it. The Constitution says nothing about being born in the United States. What it say, exactly is:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

There are TWO ways to be a natural born Citizen. One, of course, is by being born in the United States. The other is by having at least one parent who is a Citizen when you are born, regardless of WHERE you are born.

Obama's mother was a US Citizen when he was born, so where he was born is irrelevant.

Cruz's mother was a US Citizen when he was born, so where he was born is irrelevant.

Biden was a moron when he was born, so wh... well, nevermind.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 12:31:52 PM   
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Biden was a moron when he was born, so wh... well, nevermind.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 12:32:52 PM   
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People mostly sit here and sling mud in one direction or the other... I support Tweedle Dee, or I support Tweedle Dum.

How long will it take for people to realize that 99 out of 100 politicians are a bunch of untrustworthy bums that are in the hip pockets of big business?? Republican or Democrat, they don't give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves, or their party. They clearly don't give a shit about the general public! I'm convinced that most of them are either sociopaths or outright psychopaths (look up either term in Wikipedia, and you'll see how well the descriptions fit most politicians).

And sociopathy and psychopathy aren't limited to the halls of Congress; IMO many/most CEOs in the Fortune 500 are psychopaths or sociopaths as well. Read up a little on Mark Zuckerberg of FaceBook, who is a poster child for psychopathy. And read some more about amoral creeps like Jamie Dimon, who now run all of the big Wall Street banks. It's far easier to become filthy rich and ultra powerful, when you don't have any morals or ethics to get in the way of accomplishing whatever callous self-serving goals you aspire to. About 4-5% of the human population, worldwide, is either sociopathic or psychopathic at birth. Their defective genes don't allow them to possess either empathy or sympathy. They're a waste of oxygen. They're the 5% of the population that causes 95% of society's ills.

Personally, I don't trust ANY politician of ANY political stripe at this point in my life. By getting us all arguing back and forth over "my candidate's an angel and yours is Satan incarnate," they ensure that nothing meaningful ever gets done. And. that we don't hold their feet to the fire and hold them accountable. Meanwhile, they become multi-millionaires on the graft that they collect and by using the inside stock market knowledge that they freely access. 60 Minutes did a nice piece on the stock market knowledge, not that long ago. There's plenty of blame to go around in ever GD direction.

It's so bad now that this once-great country is pretty much a lost cause, short of a second American Revolution. I'd love to be there and watch the guillotines being rolled into D.C. and Wall Street. It wouldn't even dampen my eyes to see their miserable amoral lives terminated with extreme prejudice.


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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 12:42:00 PM   
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There are TWO ways to be a natural born Citizen. One, of course, is by being born in the United States. The other is by having at least one parent who is a Citizen when you are born, regardless of WHERE you are born.



Where can one find this definition?

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 1:17:49 PM   
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There are TWO ways to be a natural born Citizen. One, of course, is by being born in the United States. The other is by having at least one parent who is a Citizen when you are born, regardless of WHERE you are born.



Where can one find this definition?

United States law. it's only been posted on these threads a half dozen times for the purposes of curing the ignorance of Oily Taint's birthers.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 2:14:54 PM   
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quote:

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There are TWO ways to be a natural born Citizen. One, of course, is by being born in the United States. The other is by having at least one parent who is a Citizen when you are born, regardless of WHERE you are born.



Where can one find this definition?

United States law. it's only been posted on these threads a half dozen times for the purposes of curing the ignorance of Oily Taint's birthers.

I do have to point out yet again that there is no legal definition of what natural born citizen means and no law defines who is one. Obama being born in the US fulfills the common understanding of the term. Cruz was not born inside the US and his status is more open to debate.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 2:20:10 PM   
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I don't know that much about Rand Paul except that he's an M.D. like his father and a senator in Kentucky.
As for Hillary Clinton she's a sociopath.
And Christie is all over the map, does *anyone* know where he stands on various issues?

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 8:26:12 PM   
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How many of those GOP hopefuls have spent eight years in the White House? Served in a high profile position when the crap hit the fan many times while in the White House? Rated #34 in Men's Health Magazine as the 'toughest male in the USA' (beating out a stunt man that was in 324 car crashes, and another shot 47 times). Very intelligent, cunning, and will have Putin on his knees begging to be spanked....again!

Not one person in the GOP really has a chance against Mrs. Clinton. Not even the Governor of New Jersey whom appeals to moderates but is not 'fascist-conservative' enough to get the GOP nod. Love or hate her, she will be the next president. Besides, could you imagine Bill at all the 'ladies functions'?

If the country lasts that long.


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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 8:38:19 PM   
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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 8:49:20 PM   
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I don't know that much about Rand Paul except that he's an M.D. like his father and a senator in Kentucky.
As for Hillary Clinton she's a sociopath.
And Christie is all over the map, does *anyone* know where he stands on various issues?


Should check on that definition of 'sociopath'; you might find it applies more to Rand Paul than Hillary Clinton. Which one of those two would be in favor of making the Affordable Care Act better for *ALL* Americans?

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/16/2013 9:05:28 PM   
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I don't know that much about Rand Paul except that he's an M.D. like his father and a senator in Kentucky.
As for Hillary Clinton she's a sociopath.
And Christie is all over the map, does *anyone* know where he stands on various issues?


I thought you liked Hillary Clinton. What changed your mind?

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/17/2013 12:22:43 AM   
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...............Ted Cruz can not be president, he was born in Canada...


If at least one of his parents is/was A US citizen, yes he can. John McCain was born in Panama.


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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/17/2013 3:31:29 AM   
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I don't know that much about Rand Paul except that he's an M.D. like his father and a senator in Kentucky.
As for Hillary Clinton she's a sociopath.
And Christie is all over the map, does *anyone* know where he stands on various issues?


Should check on that definition of 'sociopath'; you might find it applies more to Rand Paul than Hillary Clinton. Which one of those two would be in favor of making the Affordable Care Act better for *ALL* Americans?


I think the word you're looking for is "megalomaniac".

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/17/2013 4:30:08 AM   
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Getting a grasp of the 2016.

In alphabetical order.

Typical election choice. Bad and worse.

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/17/2013 5:03:57 AM   
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...............Ted Cruz can not be president, he was born in Canada...

If at least one of his parents is/was A US citizen, yes he can. John McCain was born in Panama.


As supporting proof of this claim, I cite the Naturalization Act of 1790:
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    United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.

    United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization; and to repeal the act heretofore passed on that subject” (January 29, 1795).

    For carrying into complete effect the power given by the constitution, to establish an uniform rule of naturalization throughout the United States:

    SEC.1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, may be admitted to become a citizen of the United States, or any of them, on the following conditions, and not otherwise: --

    First. He shall have declared, on oath or affirmation, before the supreme, superior, district, or circuit court of some one of the states, or of the territories northwest or south of the river Ohio, or a circuit or district court of the United States, three years, at least, before his admission, that it was bona fide, his intention to become a citizen of the United States, and to renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly, by name, the prince, potentate, state or sovereignty whereof such alien may, at that time, be a citizen or subject.

    Secondly. He shall, at the time of his application to be admitted, declare on oath or affirmation before some one of the courts aforesaid, that he has resided within the United States, five years at least, and within the state or territory, where such court is at the time held, one year at least; that he will support the constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly by name, the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, whereof he was before a citizen or subject; which proceedings shall be recorded by the clerk of the court.

    Thirdly. The court admitting such alien shall be satisfied that he has resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States five years; and it shall further appear to their satisfaction, that during that time, he has behaved as a man of a good moral character, attached to the principles of the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same.

    Fourthly. In case the alien applying to be admitted to citizenship shall have borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility, in the kingdom or state from which he came, he shall, in addition to the above requisites, make an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility, in the court to which his application shall be made; which renunciation shall be recorded in the said court.

    SEC. 2. Provided always, and be it further enacted, That any alien now residing within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States may be admitted to become a citizen on his declaring, on oath or affirmation, in some one of the courts aforesaid, that he has resided two years, at least, within and under the jurisdiction of the same, and one year, at least, within the state or territory where such court is at the time held; that he will support the constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly by name the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, whereof he was before a citizen or subject; and moreover, on its appearing to the satisfaction of the court, that during the said term of two years, he has behaved as a man of good moral character, attached to the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same; and when the alien applying for admission to citizenship, shall have borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the kingdom or state from which he came, on his moreover making in the court an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility, before he shall be entitled to such admission; all of which proceedings, required in this proviso to be performed in the court, shall be recorded by the clerk thereof.

    SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.

    SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That the Act intituled, “An act to establish an uniform rule of naturalization,” passed the twenty-sixth day of March, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, be, and the same is hereby repealed.
[emphasis mine]

So, yes, Ted Cruz is eligible to be POTUS, provided his father has resided in the US (see the underlined section).

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RE: Hillary or Rand - 8/17/2013 11:44:04 AM   
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I don't know that much about Rand Paul except that he's an M.D. like his father and a senator in Kentucky.
As for Hillary Clinton she's a sociopath.
And Christie is all over the map, does *anyone* know where he stands on various issues?


Should check on that definition of 'sociopath'; you might find it applies more to Rand Paul than Hillary Clinton. Which one of those two would be in favor of making the Affordable Care Act better for *ALL* Americans?


Joether, you know as well as I do that a majority of Americans don't want Obamacare.
Funny, the biggest champions of Obamacare for the last four years are now scurrying to get exemptions from it!
I have a brother who's a Teamster in local 25 in Boston and he told me a while back that "we're not getting involved in that shit" and lo and behold last week I see an article about the Teamsters looking to be exempted from it.
If Obamacare was that good no-one would be seeking exemptions from it would they?
And with the rates for certain states comming out now it's doomed to fail because of the costs.
They said that in Colo. the figures would be something like (approx.) $300 to $900 per month for a family of five and that that would only cover 60% of the medical bills the rest to be paid "out of pocket." Now,...what do you think, will the monthly cost be closer to,.....$300 or,..... $900?
I've said from the beginning that the only way something like this can work is through a *single payer system.* (National Healthcare.) of course that means that we'd have to make cuts elsewhere like ending all foreign aid, doing away with (EPA, Energy, Education) depts and scaling back many other things including the military to be able to afford it. A LOT of things would have to be ended or cut way back to be able to afford an SPS. And you couldn't include any illegal aliens on it.(nor should we.)
It would be a system much like most of the countries in Europe have and it would be our biggest expense by far but I'd much rather see us stop interfereing in the problems of foreign countries and have something like that. Another earthquake in Haiti, call France.
Obamacare would pale in comparison to a SPS!
Obamacare is now legislation but,....Obama has illegally "amended" it three or four times *After the fact!*
He can't do that. He may thing he's "fine tuning" it but he never was the sharpest knife in the drawer was he?
If "the govt." wants something and The People don't then you always have to go with "The People" wouldn't you agree?

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