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Hillwilliam -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 10:01:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing. That is not wht I asked for. This is what I asked for "Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?" The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful. Do you have any links to back that statement up? One has to wonder what sort of fucking moron would need a link to "The sun will rise in the east?" It depends on your latitude and the time of year.[8D]

Kirata -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 11:21:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I checked census figures 63.7% white 16.4% Hispanic See Table 1 here: Overview of Race and Hispanic Origin: 2010 This source gives 16.3% for the Hispanic/Latino population percentage, but note that the 63.7% figure represents non-Hispanic or Latino white race alone (one race). The total white race alone (one race) population including Hispanics and Latinos is ~8.7% higher at 72.4% (as Table 1 shows) in agreement with Table 2 (q.v.) which reports that 53% of Hispanics and Latinos self-identify as white alone (53% of 16.4% = 8.7%). However, 72.4% is still more than enough to support an argument that whites as a group are under-represented among criminal offenders. K.

BamaD -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 5:03:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing. That is not wht I asked for. This is what I asked for "Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?" The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful. Do you have any links to back that statement up? you should know that he doesn't need them the fact that he ways it makes it so.

BamaD -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 5:11:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: But your figures show that 80% of the population commits 58% of these crimes or 75% of their "share" quote: They also show that 12% of the population commits 18% of them or 150% of their share. Racial bias In 2009, law enforcement agencies reported that 3,816 single-bias hate crime offenses were racially motivated. Of these offenses: 71.4 percent were motivated by anti-black bias. 17.1 percent resulted from anti-white bias. 5.5 percent occurred because of biases against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group). 3.9 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias. 2.2 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/incidents.html 3816 x 71.4 = 2725 3816 x 17.1 = 683 And you want to make an issue of the total percentage of each within the population? Give me a break. Damn near 4 - 1 black vs white and you really want to insist that hate crimes against whites are worse? And we dont even know who is perpetrating the crimes... these are the numbers against people... you know.. the victims. If we don't even know who is doing the crime how can we be sure that it is a hate crime. Unless every time they say the criminal was white we just assume a hate crime. By your logic that only gross numbers count is followed think about this. At least 25 percent of whites have been adversely affected by the bad economy. This amounts to 15% of the population. BY your logic there can be no economic problem in the black community because more white are affected even if every black person is out of a job. That is , as politesub is so fond of saying, laughable. The idea that disproportionate representation by the black community in hate crimes is irrelevant because it is a smaller community is equally laughable.

tazzygirl -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 5:50:18 PM)
quote: If we don't even know who is doing the crime how can we be sure that it is a hate crime. Go argue with the FBI on that one. quote: Unless every time they say the criminal was white we just assume a hate crime. By your logic that only gross numbers count is followed think about this. The list I gave is victims You got a break down for the perps? Pop it up.. and do try to get the link right... Im not gonna waste my time trying to decipher your attempts and directing me to wiki/com quote: At least 25 percent of whites have been adversely affected by the bad economy. This amounts to 15% of the population. BY your logic there can be no economic problem in the black community because more white are affected even if every black person is out of a job. Talk about twisted logic. The economy affects everyone. Crime affects a far smaller number... hate crime even a smaller number. quote: The idea that disproportionate representation by the black community in hate crimes is irrelevant because it is a smaller community is equally laughable. Do only white people commit hate crimes against black people? Do black people only commit hate crimes against white people? Who commits hate crimes against the other groups? Here is a perfect example. 3 men committed a hate crime against one man. quote: A federal jury today convicted Charles Cannon, 26, Michael McLaughlin, 41, and Brian Kerstetter, 32, of a federal hate crime charge related to a racially motivated assault of a 29-year-old African-American man. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/April/12-crt-483.html In the victims list, that would be listed once. Another with one victim, two perps. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/October/10-crt-1154.html So, do, please, find me the list of how many people are committing hate crimes and the actual break down of what race is doing it to whom....

BamaD -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 5:59:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: If we don't even know who is doing the crime how can we be sure that it is a hate crime. Go argue with the FBI on that one. quote: Unless every time they say the criminal was white we just assume a hate crime. By your logic that only gross numbers count is followed think about this. The list I gave is victims You got a break down for the perps? Pop it up.. and do try to get the link right... Im not gonna waste my time trying to decipher your attempts and directing me to wiki/com quote: At least 25 percent of whites have been adversely affected by the bad economy. This amounts to 15% of the population. BY your logic there can be no economic problem in the black community because more white are affected even if every black person is out of a job. Talk about twisted logic. The economy affects everyone. Crime affects a far smaller number... hate crime even a smaller number. quote: The idea that disproportionate representation by the black community in hate crimes is irrelevant because it is a smaller community is equally laughable. Do only white people commit hate crimes against black people? Do black people only commit hate crimes against white people? Who commits hate crimes against the other groups? Here is a perfect example. 3 men committed a hate crime against one man. quote: A federal jury today convicted Charles Cannon, 26, Michael McLaughlin, 41, and Brian Kerstetter, 32, of a federal hate crime charge related to a racially motivated assault of a 29-year-old African-American man. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/April/12-crt-483.html In the victims list, that would be listed once. Another with one victim, two perps. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/October/10-crt-1154.html So, do, please, find me the list of how many people are committing hate crimes and the actual break down of what race is doing it to whom.... As far as I am concerned all crime is hate crime. My concern is the number of people who consider it to be a white province. I don't care if these three shot the Australian because he was white, because they hate baseball or because it was the weekend. They should get the maximum the law permits, not because they killed a white man but because they murdered a person.

tazzygirl -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 6:10:00 PM)
quote: As far as I am concerned all crime is hate crime. And you would be wrong. So, since it doesnt matter to you, why are you arguing the point?

thishereboi -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 6:10:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing. That is not wht I asked for. This is what I asked for "Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?" The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful. Do you have any links to back that statement up? One has to wonder what sort of fucking moron would need a link to "The sun will rise in the east?" One has to wonder what sort of a fucking hypocrite would run around demanding sources from everyone and never provide them for their statements. One has also has to wonder what sort troll has to resort to calling someone a moron every time someone disagrees with them or questions them.

BamaD -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 6:31:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: As far as I am concerned all crime is hate crime. And you would be wrong. So, since it doesnt matter to you, why are you arguing the point? crime is not a sign of friendship because as I explained too many people cannot get past the concept that if there is conflict between a black and a white it is because the white person is racist ( there is no point were I said you were one of them)

tazzygirl -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 7:19:18 PM)
quote: crime is not a sign of friendship Nor is it a sign of hatred. quote: because as I explained too many people cannot get past the concept that if there is conflict between a black and a white it is because the white person is racist ( there is no point were I said you were one of them) That isnt true either. I know many racist black people... and I know even more racist white people.Most victims of hate crimes have more than one attacker. You have sat here and argued that because the black population in this country is smaller than the rest, they are more likely to commit hate crimes. That isnt born out by the statistics.

BamaD -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 8:26:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: crime is not a sign of friendship Nor is it a sign of hatred. quote: because as I explained too many people cannot get past the concept that if there is conflict between a black and a white it is because the white person is racist ( there is no point were I said you were one of them) That isnt true either. I know many racist black people... and I know even more racist white people.Most victims of hate crimes have more than one attacker. You have sat here and argued that because the black population in this country is smaller than the rest, they are more likely to commit hate crimes. That isnt born out by the statistics. 18 % foe 12 % is a greater ration than 58 % for 72% The gross number will obviously greater for the larger group but per capita is greater for the smaller group that is obvious Of course there are more white racists than black racists but the white racists are more outnumbered by non racists and your own numbers support this. You also know far most non racists whites than non racist blacks unless you refuse to hang around white people or unless you view the actions of all whites through the prism of them being racist.

tazzygirl -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/3/2013 8:37:32 PM)
quote: Of course there are more white racists than black racists but the white racists are more outnumbered by non racists and your own numbers support this. At a ratio in the general population of 4 to 1 - white to black. Are you really proud to sit there and post that the numbers are diluted because the white race is so big? I will try.... one more time... to explain this to you. Those numbers i posted were the VICTIMS. It doesnt take into account how many people committed that crime. For you to sit there and claim there are less racially motivated crimes among white people is insanity. You can NOT draw that conclusion from the FBI report.

BamaD -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 6:21:08 AM)
There is none so blind as he (or she who will not see)

tazzygirl -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 8:04:26 AM)
So take your blinders off.

thompsonx -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 8:30:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing. That is not wht I asked for. This is what I asked for "Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?" The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful. Do you have any links to back that statement up? you should know that he doesn't need them the fact that he ways it makes it so. What the fuck do you want validated? That some black on white crime is not racially motivated? That to ascribe the former to the later is asanine and decietful? To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivated? Really what sort of a moron would require validation for such obvious statements of reality?

thompsonx -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 8:36:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing. That is not wht I asked for. This is what I asked for "Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?" The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful. Do you have any links to back that statement up? One has to wonder what sort of fucking moron would need a link to "The sun will rise in the east?" quote: One has to wonder what sort of a fucking hypocrite would run around demanding sources from everyone and never provide them for their statements. I demand validation for unsubstantiated opinions...whch statements have I failed to validate? What the fuck do you want validated? That some black on white crime is not racially motivated? That to ascribe the former to the later is asanine and decietful? To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivated? Really what sort of a moron would require validation for such obvious statements of reality? quote: One has also has to wonder what sort troll has to resort to calling someone a moron every time someone disagrees with them or questions them. Who has been called a moron?

Politesub53 -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 12:29:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There is none so blind as he (or she who will not see) The penny has finally dropped.

Yachtie -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 1:04:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl For you to sit there and claim there are less racially motivated crimes among white people .... Smoothing the curve to make sense of the data is not your strong suit. The raw numbers are misleading. By my calculations, any one white, across the population, has about a .7% probability of committing a hate crime. Conversely, any one black, across the population, has about a 1.4% probability. Yes, the number of white hate crimes will, in raw numbers, exceed those of black. But your odds of actually being subjected to such are 2x greater, for any one individual, if that individual is black. Though not in the same vein, it's no wonder Jesse Jackson, upon hearing footfalls closing in behind him, upon turning around, was relieved that those overtaking him were white.

BamaD -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 2:43:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl For you to sit there and claim there are less racially motivated crimes among white people .... Smoothing the curve to make sense of the data is not your strong suit. The raw numbers are misleading. By my calculations, any one white, across the population, has about a .7% probability of committing a hate crime. Conversely, any one black, across the population, has about a 1.4% probability. Yes, the number of white hate crimes will, in raw numbers, exceed those of black. But your odds of actually being subjected to such are 2x greater, for any one individual, if that individual is black. Though not in the same vein, it's no wonder Jesse Jackson, upon hearing footfalls closing in behind him, upon turning around, was relieved that those overtaking him were white. Exactly what I have been trying to explain but they do not want to see the point

tazzygirl -> RE: Bored in Oklahoma (9/4/2013 2:44:17 PM)
And again, you are trying to extrapolate across the population the numbers from the VICTIM count. How many attackers to the victim are there? Some are one on one. Some are three on one. Some are 6 on one. Until you can find the actual numbers of those committing the crimes we are only speaking about the VICTIMS themselves. Blacks are less than 20% of the population. Yet they are subjected to 71% of the hate crimes. Twist that in the wind... its the only thing that might make sense of the ramblings against this issue.

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