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His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing.

That is not wht I asked for.
This is what I asked for
"Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?"
The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful.

Do you have any links to back that statement up?

One has to wonder what sort of fucking moron would need a link to "The sun will rise in the east?"

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His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing.

That is not wht I asked for.
This is what I asked for
"Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?"
The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful.

Do you have any links to back that statement up?

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But your figures show that 80% of the population commits 58% of these crimes or 75% of their "share"

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They also show that 12% of the population commits 18% of them or 150% of their share.

Racial bias
In 2009, law enforcement agencies reported that 3,816 single-bias hate crime offenses were racially motivated. Of these offenses:

71.4 percent were motivated by anti-black bias.
17.1 percent resulted from anti-white bias.
5.5 percent occurred because of biases against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group).
3.9 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
2.2 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/incidents.html

3816 x 71.4 = 2725
3816 x 17.1 = 683

And you want to make an issue of the total percentage of each within the population? Give me a break. Damn near 4 - 1 black vs white and you really want to insist that hate crimes against whites are worse? And we dont even know who is perpetrating the crimes... these are the numbers against people... you know.. the victims.

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If we don't even know who is doing the crime how can we be sure that it is a hate crime.

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Unless every time they say the criminal was white we just assume a hate crime.
By your logic that only gross numbers count is followed think about this.

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At least 25 percent of whites have been adversely affected by the bad economy.
This amounts to 15% of the population.
BY your logic there can be no economic problem in the black community because more white are affected even if every black person is out of a job.

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The idea that disproportionate representation by the black community in hate crimes is irrelevant because it is a smaller community is equally laughable.

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A federal jury today convicted Charles Cannon, 26, Michael McLaughlin, 41, and Brian Kerstetter, 32, of a federal hate crime charge related to a racially motivated assault of a 29-year-old African-American man.

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If we don't even know who is doing the crime how can we be sure that it is a hate crime.

Go argue with the FBI on that one.

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Unless every time they say the criminal was white we just assume a hate crime.
By your logic that only gross numbers count is followed think about this.

The list I gave is victims

You got a break down for the perps? Pop it up.. and do try to get the link right... Im not gonna waste my time trying to decipher your attempts and directing me to wiki/com

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At least 25 percent of whites have been adversely affected by the bad economy.
This amounts to 15% of the population.
BY your logic there can be no economic problem in the black community because more white are affected even if every black person is out of a job.

Talk about twisted logic. The economy affects everyone. Crime affects a far smaller number... hate crime even a smaller number.

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The idea that disproportionate representation by the black community in hate crimes is irrelevant because it is a smaller community is equally laughable.

Do only white people commit hate crimes against black people?
Do black people only commit hate crimes against white people?
Who commits hate crimes against the other groups?

Here is a perfect example. 3 men committed a hate crime against one man.

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A federal jury today convicted Charles Cannon, 26, Michael McLaughlin, 41, and Brian Kerstetter, 32, of a federal hate crime charge related to a racially motivated assault of a 29-year-old African-American man.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/April/12-crt-483.html

In the victims list, that would be listed once.

Another with one victim, two perps.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/October/10-crt-1154.html

So, do, please, find me the list of how many people are committing hate crimes and the actual break down of what race is doing it to whom....

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As far as I am concerned all crime is hate crime.

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His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing.

That is not wht I asked for.
This is what I asked for
"Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?"
The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful.

Do you have any links to back that statement up?

One has to wonder what sort of fucking moron would need a link to "The sun will rise in the east?"

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As far as I am concerned all crime is hate crime.

And you would be wrong.

So, since it doesnt matter to you, why are you arguing the point?

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crime is not a sign of friendship

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because as I explained too many people cannot get past the concept that if there is conflict between a black and a white it is because the white person is racist ( there is no point were I said you were one of them)

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crime is not a sign of friendship

Nor is it a sign of hatred.

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because as I explained too many people cannot get past the concept that if there is conflict between a black and a white it is because the white person is racist ( there is no point were I said you were one of them)

That isnt true either. I know many racist black people... and I know even more racist white people.Most victims of hate crimes have more than one attacker.

You have sat here and argued that because the black population in this country is smaller than the rest, they are more likely to commit hate crimes. That isnt born out by the statistics.

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Of course there are more white racists than black racists but the white racists are more outnumbered by non racists and your own numbers support this.

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His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing.

That is not wht I asked for.
This is what I asked for
"Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?"
The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful.

Do you have any links to back that statement up?

you should know that he doesn't need them the fact that he ways it makes it so.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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His question was in response to isn't a black on white killing as bad as a white on black killing.

That is not wht I asked for.
This is what I asked for
"Would it be possible to let us know just what the ratio of black on white vs. white on black violence has been in the u.s. for the past 100 years?10 years?1 year?"
The issue here is that some think that all crime that is black on white is racially motivated. The facts are that some are and some are not. To try to ascribe the former to the latter is asanine and decietful. To deny that the overwhelming majority of white on black crime in the past 100 years has been racially motivatd is to ignore the facts and is asanine and decietful.

Do you have any links to back that statement up?

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One has to wonder what sort of a fucking hypocrite would run around demanding sources from everyone and never provide them for their statements.

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One has also has to wonder what sort troll has to resort to calling someone a moron every time someone disagrees with them or questions them.

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There is none so blind as he (or she who will not see)

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For you to sit there and claim there are less racially motivated crimes among white people ....

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For you to sit there and claim there are less racially motivated crimes among white people ....

Smoothing the curve to make sense of the data is not your strong suit. The raw numbers are misleading.

By my calculations, any one white, across the population, has about a .7% probability of committing a hate crime. Conversely, any one black, across the population, has about a 1.4% probability. Yes, the number of white hate crimes will, in raw numbers, exceed those of black. But your odds of actually being subjected to such are 2x greater, for any one individual, if that individual is black.

Though not in the same vein, it's no wonder Jesse Jackson, upon hearing footfalls closing in behind him, upon turning around, was relieved that those overtaking him were white.