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Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 6:54:38 PM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/20/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma/

I suppose some will insist the murderous little shits would never have figured out how a knife works.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 7:02:08 PM   
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"Chris was a charming guy, genuinely good person, with great character and had a love for life. As cliché as it sounds Chris was the kind of guy you want your sons to grow up to be and that you want your daughters to marry. It just breaks my heart knowing how much more he could have brought to this world as a husband, father, son, brother and friend," said Sam Malchar, a former ECU teammate and classmate.


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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 7:08:13 PM   
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Three teens charged over murder of Melbourne baseball player Chris Lane



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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 7:26:48 PM   
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Here is a link to a much more informative news story.

Three teens charged over murder of Melbourne baseball player Chris Lane

The parents will say their sons were good boys in 3.. 2.. 1

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 7:29:37 PM   
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Tragic, and stupid.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/20/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma/
I suppose some will insist the murderous little shits would never have figured out how a knife works.


I think we should ban amoral fuckwits. That seems to be a more common denominator in murders, regardless of method.


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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 7:36:32 PM   
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I suppose some will insist the murderous little shits would never have figured out how a knife works.

Well, knifing someone from a moving car would take awfully good aim.

But seriously, do we really have to turn this guy's death into another P&R snarkfest? How 'bout we let him rest in peace?

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 7:46:58 PM   
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But seriously, do we really have to turn this guy's death into another P&R snarkfest? How 'bout we let him rest in peace?



We all process such events in our own way, DC.

You should hear my realtime rants about the local dogcatchers, when they screw up and someone dies a horrible death.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/20/2013 8:02:21 PM   
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I suppose some will insist the murderous little shits would never have figured out how a knife works.

Well, knifing someone from a moving car would take awfully good aim.

But seriously, do we really have to turn this guy's death into another P&R snarkfest? How 'bout we let him rest in peace?

But seriously, the comparison was valid. If they only had knives, they would have killed someone walking or jogging.

That quibble aside however, I agree with you.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 12:37:20 AM   
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Here is a link to a much more informative news story.

Three teens charged over murder of Melbourne baseball player Chris Lane

The parents will say their sons were good boys in 3.. 2.. 1

K.







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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 3:25:23 AM   
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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 3:30:08 AM   
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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 4:32:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just to let you know this is the response to this senseless slaying from a widely respected conservative ex-politician :

"Tim Fischer, who served as deputy prime minister under John Howard from 1996 to 1999, urged Australians not to travel to the United States. He said that such a boycott would send a message about the need for tighter gun control regulations in the United States, according to News.com.au.

"I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers (but) it's a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA," Fischer said this week. "This is the bitter harvest and legacy of the policies of the NRA..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/tim-fischer-boycott-us-christopher-lane_n_3786687.html

Not all conservatives share the US's looney right's views on gun control.

The difference between the reaction here in Australia to this murder, and the (non-)reaction in the USA is telling. Some countries see the victims of senseless slayings as something more than collateral damage in the war to preserve the public's 'right' to shoot whoever upsets them at any given point in time. In some places, people try to find ways to prevent further senseless slayings.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 7:10:02 AM   
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The difference between the reaction here in Australia to this murder, and the (non-)reaction in the USA is telling. Some countries see the victims of senseless slayings as something more than collateral damage in the war to preserve the public's 'right' to shoot whoever upsets them at any given point in time. In some places, people try to find ways to prevent further senseless slayings.


I'm not sure that it's a non-reaction in the USA, since this incident is being covered in the press and discussed. The sad fact is, most murders in this country tend to go unnoticed. Perhaps they might get a blurb in the local press but hardly a national issue, unless it's something outrageous or infamous or something that would get good ratings for the media.

I'm not sure why that is. Perhaps murder has become so commonplace that it's not deemed newsworthy enough to warrant national attention.

The debate on gun control seems to be a merry-go-round that goes nowhere. Some feel the need to have guns because they believe the law isn't going to protect them from the thugs, brigands, and ruffians who roam the streets. On the other side, there are those who feel that gun control is a panacea, but weren't willing to do anything about the thugs, brigands, and ruffians in the first place. Those who oppose the death penalty and are perceived as too soft on crime are viewed by many as a bigger problem in society than guns themselves.

I think gun control would probably gain more support in this country if its advocates would be willing to tie it in with some truly tough measures against crime. If there was more outrage against the scumbags who do things like this, as opposed to shifting the blame to an inanimate object, then the gun control arguments might make more sense to people and gain enough support to actually do something. But if their entire position is that only guns are to blame without paying much attention to actual people who commit the heinous crime of murder, then the debate will continue to go nowhere.




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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 7:16:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Just to let you know this is the response to this senseless slaying from a widely respected conservative ex-politician :
"Tim Fischer, who served as deputy prime minister under John Howard from 1996 to 1999, urged Australians not to travel to the United States. He said that such a boycott would send a message about the need for tighter gun control regulations in the United States, according to News.com.au.
"I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers (but) it's a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA," Fischer said this week. "This is the bitter harvest and legacy of the policies of the NRA..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/tim-fischer-boycott-us-christopher-lane_n_3786687.html
Not all conservatives share the US's looney right's views on gun control.
The difference between the reaction here in Australia to this murder, and the (non-)reaction in the USA is telling. Some countries see the victims of senseless slayings as something more than collateral damage in the war to preserve the public's 'right' to shoot whoever upsets them at any given point in time. In some places, people try to find ways to prevent further senseless slayings.


A murder would have been committed by these teens regardless of means. A gun doesn't make people kill someone because they are bored. Underlying all these crimes and intentional murders is a mindset that it's okay to kill someone else, regardless of reasoning. For someone to get to the point to think that killing someone is okay because you are bored, is scary. How anyone could consider that to be true is beyond me.

As I said before:
    I think we should ban amoral fuckwits. That seems to be a more common denominator in murders, regardless of method.


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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 7:37:22 AM   
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A murder would have been committed by these teens regardless of means. A gun doesn't make people kill someone because they are bored.


Sorry DS, but this kind of empty platitude is trotted out to excuse inaction on the means of crime regularly. It doesn't seem to matter if is another schoolyard massacre or a single slaying. A one size fits all platitude.

Neither you nor anyone else knows what those kids might have done if they didn't have access to guns. If you or anyone else knew what is inside their heads, why wasn't it prevented? They might have gotten knives and killed someone anyway or they might have gone ten pin bowling or they might have gotten stoned. They might have done any one of a million things that bored kids do. No one knows.

So instead of people shrugging their shoulders and exchanging vacuous platitudes in a bid to reassure themselves that this stupidity was inevitable and unstoppable, please devote some of your considerable resources to ensuring that it doesn't happen again.

A good place to start would be to review operating the world's biggest laxest private arms bazaar and then pretending that the consequences are inevitable and beyond your control. Why not give gun control a trial in one State for a 3 or 5 year period and then see what the results are? Until this is tried, such sentiments as the above will remain specious infuriating platitudes.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 7:45:12 AM   
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A murder would have been committed by these teens regardless of means. A gun doesn't make people kill someone because they are bored.

Sorry DS, but this kind of empty platitude is trotted out to excuse inaction on the means of crime regularly. It doesn't seem to matter if is another schoolyard massacre or a single slaying. A one size fits all platitude.
Neither you nor anyone else knows what those kids might have done if they didn't have access to guns. If you or anyone else knew what is inside their heads, why wasn't it prevented? They might have gotten knives and killed someone anyway or they might have gone ten pin bowling or they might have gotten stoned. They might have done any one of a million things that bored kids do. No one knows.
So instead of people shrugging their shoulders and exchanging vacuous platitudes in a bid to reassure themselves that this stupidity was inevitable and unstoppable, please devote some of your considerable resources to ensuring that it doesn't happen again, instead of operating the world's biggest private arms bazaar and then pretending that the consequences are inevitable and beyond your control.


Oh, please. You don't see the "kids being bored so they gun down a guy" mindset being a bigger issue than their being able to get a gun? Preventing them from getting a gun isn't going to stop that mindset, is it?

I get bored. I don't consider killing someone to break that up. Shit. Yes, I do. Fuck. At least when I play Diablo III, it's a virtual killing, and I'm killing to protect innocents and take down evil.


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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 7:48:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course there are other factors involved. Such as why do kids grow up with such a contemptuous attitude to human life? Why are their horizons so hopeless that murder seems like a fun way to pass a few idle moments......

But for goodness sake, stop deluding yourself that there is no relationship between availability of weapons and your horrendous murder rate

If those idiots didn't have such easy access to lethal weapons, they most probably would have found something far less murderous to do. I don't get the impression that planning ways past sound security systems to obtain weapons is their forte.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 7:55:56 AM   
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Of course there are other factors involved. Such as why do kids grow up with such a contemptuous attitude to human life? Why are their horizons so hopeless that murder seems like a fun way to pass a few idle moments......
But for goodness sake, stop deluding yourself that there is no relationship between availability of weapons and your horrendous murder rate


There may be a relationship, Tweaks, but it isn't causative. Millions of people every single day don't shoot someone, even though guns are still prevalent.

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If those idiots didn't have such easy access to lethal weapons, they most probably would have found something far less murderous to do.


Didn't you just say that we have no way of knowing? Now, you are assigning probability to what they would have done?




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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 7:58:44 AM   
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"Tim Fischer, who served as deputy prime minister under John Howard from 1996 to 1999, urged Australians not to travel to the United States. He said that such a boycott would send a message about the need for tighter gun control regulations in the United States, according to News.com.au.


We can only hope...I mean that they decide not to come....and if we are real lucky maybe they will stop talking to us as well.

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RE: Bored in Oklahoma - 8/21/2013 8:03:54 AM   
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Of course there are other factors involved. Such as why do kids grow up with such a contemptuous attitude to human life? Why are their horizons so hopeless that murder seems like a fun way to pass a few idle moments......
But for goodness sake, stop deluding yourself that there is no relationship between availability of weapons and your horrendous murder rate


There may be a relationship, Tweaks, but it isn't causative.


Please excuse my language but so fucking what?

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If those idiots didn't have such easy access to lethal weapons, they most probably would have found something far less murderous to do.


Didn't you just say that we have no way of knowing? Now, you are assigning probability to what they would have done?



Yes DS, one assigns probability when one doesn't know outcomes for certain. Or, at least, that's what sensible people do.

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