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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 9:25:37 PM   
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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 9:46:31 PM   
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Alright, whoever the guilty parties may be, they should be publicly beaten to death and it should be carried on national tv.

Yes but it will never happen.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 10:08:19 PM   
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Apparently the have the attack on video

seattle.cbslocal.com/

and
www.king5.com/news/crime/Arrest-made-in-beating-death-of-WWII...


Hopefully at last one of the links will work

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 10:27:13 PM   
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Hopefully at last one of the links will work



Or hopefully not. You do realize that the savages who do this kind of shit will just enjoy the hell out of such videos, right?

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 10:44:58 PM   
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Hopefully at last one of the links will work



Or hopefully not. You do realize that the savages who do this kind of shit will just enjoy the hell out of such videos, right?

Yes but even though I said I was waiting for evidence, some was demanded of me.
Posting the security video on here doesn't give them nearly the coverage that the two sites I posted did.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 10:49:15 PM   
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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 10:57:32 PM   
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Links don't seem to work but they all say the attack was caught on a security camera, not of them include the video.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/25/2013 11:03:46 PM   
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Ouch

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 12:40:18 AM   
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I can't believe anyone would honestly suggest that children are so hopelessly gone that they must be extinguished. Also, he said to televise it to other children so that they learn from it.



Look, I worked in law enforcement, and I will say this, the penal system does nothing but warehouse the little bastards. It does not "teach them a lesson" nor does it rehabilitate.

The percentage of violent youthful offenders that actually get their act together and change is almost negligible.

And yes, I said televise it, or have every punk with a history of violence witness it in person. I am not saying it will cause them to repent, but it will show them what the fuck they have to look forward to.

I am sick to death of people saying that these teenagers are just "misunderstood," or any other excuse.

Besides, the death penalty is supported in the bible, for those christians against the death penalty.

quote:

Ecclesiastes 8:11

Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed speedily, the heart of the children of man is fully set to do evil.

Exodus 21:12

“Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.


These gang bangers and street thugs are beyond redemption. You aint going to turn them around and set them on the road to being good, law abiding individuals. They are little more than animals, preying on the weak, sick and elderly. In other words they are predators, and predators of this sort do not change, they get worse.

Solution is simple, eliminate the threat. And forget the cruel and unusual punishment crap, execute these animals in the most painful, torturous way possible.


You're putting a lot of words into my mouth.

I realize that the penal system is completely and totally useless as a way to rehabilitate these children. You're suggesting something that is a change to the system (televised execution). I am simply wondering, if we're looking for a better solution, maybe something other than televised execution might be the answer. Televised execution might be an improvement to the current situation, but it seems pretty draconian. They're children. Maybe there isn't a better solution. I dunno. Shouldn't we at least be looking?

I never claimed these children were misunderstood.

I've never been any kind of religious.

And then, after we go through all of that, we come to your true point of view, which is that these children are beyond redemption. I'm not saying they aren't. I don't claim to know. It's pretty callous not to look for other solutions though. OTOH, I can understand how working in law enforcement would make you pretty callous to these types of people. I do wonder if televised execution might actually make things worse and not better though. You're thinking about the other gang bangers and street thugs when you suggest this and not considering the 4 year olds whose retarded parents actually let them watch a televised execution, making them callous and uncaring towards the murder of others. If these children are beyond redemption, we need to be focusing on the younger children before they become beyond redemption, and there is simply no way that televised execution has a positive effect on those younger children.

How does executing them in the most painful and torturous way possible do anything other than entertain sadists? You call them animals. Do you also think that a feral dog should be killed in the most painful and torturous way possible?

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 12:51:00 AM   
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Alright, whoever the guilty parties may be, they should be publicly beaten to death and it should be carried on national tv.



So, what if they are found guilty and brutally executed on television.

Then, a year later, new evidence comes in proving them innocent.

And we all realize that we brutally executed 2 innocent children on television.

Would that not bother you at all?

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 6:25:17 AM   
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Alright, whoever the guilty parties may be, they should be publicly beaten to death and it should be carried on national tv.



So, what if they are found guilty and brutally executed on television.

Then, a year later, new evidence comes in proving them innocent.

And we all realize that we brutally executed 2 innocent children on television.

Would that not bother you at all?


Security Camera Footage of the parking lot where it happened has pretty clear images.....

edited to add: Both have records of violent crimes, convictions btw, so I would suspect that previous history and video of them at the scene kinda puts the final nails in the coffin...

Also, I never said you claimed they were misunderstood. I was trying to point at all the people that make excuses for these individuals.

There was a case in Connecticut a couple of years ago, two men broke into a house, beat the father to a pulp, raped the wife and two daughters, killed the wife and burned the two daughters alive. Death penalty opponents raised seven kinds of hell when they were sentenced to death.

Of course those two men are getting off easy, lethal injection. they will not have to experience what those two girls did.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 6:58:00 AM   
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Alright, whoever the guilty parties may be, they should be publicly beaten to death and it should be carried on national tv.



So, what if they are found guilty and brutally executed on television.

Then, a year later, new evidence comes in proving them innocent.

And we all realize that we brutally executed 2 innocent children on television.

Would that not bother you at all?


It would bother me. It makes me wonder about the concept of "innocent until proven guilty." I've heard of people spending years in prison wrongly convicted for crimes they didn't commit. But at some point, someone actually "proved" them guilty when they were, in fact, innocent. Presumably, if one is innocent, then there should be no possible way anyone can "prove" them guilty, but somehow it happens anyway. Clearly, the system needs to be cleaned up.

I don't think anyone would want an innocent person to be wrongly convicted for a crime, since it's not only a grave injustice to the individual, but it's also a grave injustice to society in that the guilty person who actually committed the crime gets away with it. But I also think that society should retain the right to carry out capital punishment, as long as guilt is certain and it's practiced judiciously. Of course, we want to be certain that they're guilty; all avenues should be investigated so that there's no doubt. No one wants an innocent man to hang.


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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 7:03:08 AM   
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Of course those two men are getting off easy, lethal injection. they will not have to experience what those two girls did.


Because our system of justice isnt an eye for an eye.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 7:21:31 AM   
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Look, I worked in law enforcement, and I will say this, the penal system does nothing but warehouse the little bastards. It does not "teach them a lesson" nor does it rehabilitate.

When I was in jail I learned a great many things.
How to pick handcuff locks with a coffee stirrer.
How to manufacture methamphetimine.
How to disable lo-jack systems.
How to change an automobiles vin.
How to use a cell phone to open garrage doors.
How to intimidate guards.
How to bribe the guards that could not ibe intimidated.
How to by-pass the security systems on mbz,jaguar and audi automobiles.
How to use the court systems the same way it is used against you.
Jails and prisons are veritable institutions of higher learning for those who apply themselves.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 7:59:00 AM   
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Alright, whoever the guilty parties may be, they should be publicly beaten to death and it should be carried on national tv.



So, what if they are found guilty and brutally executed on television.

Then, a year later, new evidence comes in proving them innocent.

And we all realize that we brutally executed 2 innocent children on television.

Would that not bother you at all?


Wrongly convicted people sometimes are executed. No matter whether the execution takes place or how it takes place, or whether it is public or televised, the person is just as dead. As long as there are executions of any type that fact is not going to change.

However, I believe that if a person is going to be executed, their death should serve as an example to other people of what is going to happen to them if they commit such a heinous crime, and the best way to do that is to make it public in all it's gritty details.

You say, "What if." So here is a "what if" for you. "What if" for every public execution it makes five, or ten...or even one...would be killer stop and think and decide to not commit the crime he is thinking of. How many truly innocent lives would that save? Lives that would possibly die horrendous deaths otherwise.

The more times that a public execution prevented someone else from committing murder the less people there would be facing murder charges. And the fewer murders being committed means fewer people being convicted, wrongly or otherwise.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 2:30:43 PM   
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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 2:55:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, and footage can be faked, it can be altered, and it can be misleading. Do we know if these boys are truly guilty? No, not until a trial. They could get off on a technicality. Then what?

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 5:14:51 PM   
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Yes, and footage can be faked, it can be altered, and it can be misleading. Do we know if these boys are truly guilty? No, not until a trial. They could get off on a technicality. Then what?

Sounds like a lot of trouble to get a couple of teenagers.
Then they walk like OJ
Or from your view Zimmerman.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 6:01:50 PM   
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Yes, and footage can be faked, it can be altered, and it can be misleading. Do we know if these boys are truly guilty? No, not until a trial. They could get off on a technicality. Then what?



Okay, the police, pushed to make an arrest, get the video footage and alter it, removing unidentified African-American teenagers, replace them with ones that have records for assault and other violent crimes, having somehow gained footage of these two they can identify in the same parking lot at the same time but on another night, edit it in, making sure that the same cars are in the parking lot so the footage has continuity.

Sounds plausible.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 7:19:15 PM   
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Yes, and footage can be faked, it can be altered, and it can be misleading. Do we know if these boys are truly guilty? No, not until a trial. They could get off on a technicality. Then what?

Okay, the police, pushed to make an arrest, get the video footage and alter it, removing unidentified African-American teenagers, replace them with ones that have records for assault and other violent crimes, having somehow gained footage of these two they can identify in the same parking lot at the same time but on another night, edit it in, making sure that the same cars are in the parking lot so the footage has continuity.
Sounds plausible.


I wonder what would happen if the police were to blame the dead vet?

Well, I guess we'll see...






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