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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 8:04:02 PM   
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Yes, and footage can be faked, it can be altered, and it can be misleading. Do we know if these boys are truly guilty? No, not until a trial. They could get off on a technicality. Then what?

Okay, the police, pushed to make an arrest, get the video footage and alter it, removing unidentified African-American teenagers, replace them with ones that have records for assault and other violent crimes, having somehow gained footage of these two they can identify in the same parking lot at the same time but on another night, edit it in, making sure that the same cars are in the parking lot so the footage has continuity.
Sounds plausible.


I wonder what would happen if the police were to blame the dead vet?

Well, I guess we'll see...






One of the kids is claiming the victim was a drug dealer.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 8:35:40 PM   
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“One of these individuals was pretty much a standout basketball player -- and because nobody wrapped their arms around him, nobody cared enough about him, he’s now going to face murder and robbery charges,” Straub said. “And, probably, he’s looking at the rest of his life being significantly affected -- if not destroyed -- by this.”
Delbert Belton's death: 2 Spokane teens to be tried as adults


I grew up with out much physical affection, lots of abuse at the hands of my father, but the only people I killed were when I was in the army and under orders.

This is a bunch of crap. These two chose to be what they are. Maybe if they had more discipline they might have made better choices.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 8:56:06 PM   
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Okay, now this is a bunch of fucking bullshit!

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“One of these individuals was pretty much a standout basketball player -- and because nobody wrapped their arms around him, nobody cared enough about him, he’s now going to face murder and robbery charges,” Straub said. “And, probably, he’s looking at the rest of his life being significantly affected -- if not destroyed -- by this.”
Delbert Belton's death: 2 Spokane teens to be tried as adults


I grew up with out much physical affection, lots of abuse at the hands of my father, but the only people I killed were when I was in the army and under orders.

This is a bunch of crap. These two chose to be what they are. Maybe if they had more discipline they might have made better choices.

Poor little murdering scum.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 9:16:32 PM   
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Yes, and footage can be faked, it can be altered, and it can be misleading. Do we know if these boys are truly guilty? No, not until a trial. They could get off on a technicality. Then what?



Okay, the police, pushed to make an arrest, get the video footage and alter it, removing unidentified African-American teenagers, replace them with ones that have records for assault and other violent crimes, having somehow gained footage of these two they can identify in the same parking lot at the same time but on another night, edit it in, making sure that the same cars are in the parking lot so the footage has continuity.

Sounds plausible.


Not what I am saying at all, and I think you know that. What we often see as "proof" later turns into something else. Is it likely in this case? No. But without a trial, are we really willing to kill people for what we assume is a crime? At least with a guilty verdict.....

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 9:29:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yes, and footage can be faked, it can be altered, and it can be misleading. Do we know if these boys are truly guilty? No, not until a trial. They could get off on a technicality. Then what?



Okay, the police, pushed to make an arrest, get the video footage and alter it, removing unidentified African-American teenagers, replace them with ones that have records for assault and other violent crimes, having somehow gained footage of these two they can identify in the same parking lot at the same time but on another night, edit it in, making sure that the same cars are in the parking lot so the footage has continuity.

Sounds plausible.


Not what I am saying at all, and I think you know that. What we often see as "proof" later turns into something else. Is it likely in this case? No. But without a trial, are we really willing to kill people for what we assume is a crime? At least with a guilty verdict.....

Of course not

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 9:51:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		ST. LOUIS • A judge threw out the main evidence against a former St. Louis police officer accused of beating a handcuffed teenager, finding Wednesday there was no one who could authenticate a video that allegedly shows it.

The judge also ruled that St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce’s office violated the very court order it had sought to keep that video from being disseminated by releasing still images of the footage days before the officer was set to go to trial.

Of course. Shit happens to evidence all the time. Basing your lynch mob theory without a trial is insanity.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 10:15:01 PM   
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ST. LOUIS • A judge threw out the main evidence against a former St. Louis police officer accused of beating a handcuffed teenager, finding Wednesday there was no one who could authenticate a video that allegedly shows it.

The judge also ruled that St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce’s office violated the very court order it had sought to keep that video from being disseminated by releasing still images of the footage days before the officer was set to go to trial.

Of course. Shit happens to evidence all the time. Basing your lynch mob theory without a trial is insanity.

As I told you earlier everything I have said is dependent on conviction.
That and further evidence could change my view.
I find it interesting that you find people believing them guilty just because they have a tape of them committing the crime and a letter written by one of them excusing the crime a lynch mob mentality.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 10:55:30 PM   
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Having them die the same way would be better, and televised or in the civic center with every fucking teen thug with a conviction for assault forced to watch so they know what will happen to them.


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they should be publicly beaten to death and it should be carried on national tv.


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Yes but it will never happen.


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These gang bangers and street thugs are beyond redemption. You aint going to turn them around and set them on the road to being good, law abiding individuals. They are little more than animals, preying on the weak, sick and elderly. In other words they are predators, and predators of this sort do not change, they get worse.

Solution is simple, eliminate the threat. And forget the cruel and unusual punishment crap, execute these animals in the most painful, torturous way possible.


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Un fortunately they have earned the label of animals, unless you prefer what I consider the more accurate term of monsters.


Many of these sentiments I remember being told about when growing up... most related to lynch mobs in the south.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/27/2013 11:00:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		And everything is dependent upon CONVICTION nobody regardless of how horrible they feel this is are suggesting that anyone do anything outside the law.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 12:01:04 AM   
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And everything is dependent upon CONVICTION nobody regardless of how horrible they feel this is are suggesting that anyone do anything outside the law.


Oddly enough, when we started all this, conviction had yet to enter the discussion.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 12:06:01 AM   
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And everything is dependent upon CONVICTION nobody regardless of how horrible they feel this is are suggesting that anyone do anything outside the law.


Oddly enough, when we started all this, conviction had yet to enter the discussion.

It was a given for most of us.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 12:09:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, no, only a select few... meaning.. it wasnt given... it never crossed your mind.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4161150

Might want to remember your words here.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 5:50:26 AM   
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Many of these sentiments I remember being told about when growing up... most related to lynch mobs in the south.

Only in the South?

It's a good thing Northern lynch mobs were more intelligent and always got it right.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 7:54:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL I grew up in the south, Hill.... people who grew up in other areas can speak for those, but I cant. Didnt mean to imply that it didnt happen elsewhere. Just that it wasnt my mileage.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 8:02:11 AM   
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LOL I grew up in the south, Hill.... people who grew up in other areas can speak for those, but I cant. Didnt mean to imply that it didnt happen elsewhere. Just that it wasnt my mileage.

I was kinda wondering because the most recent lynching I could find was a couple of years ago in that magnolia encrusted antebellum mansion covered town of ...................wait for it....... Dover Delaware. http://thepeopleschampion.me/strange-fruit-in-dover-delaware-police-and-public-officials-may-have-suppressed-lynching-allegations-to-aid-obama-reelection/



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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 8:09:39 AM   
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Dover Delaware

Well, Delaware was a slave state, and it lies below the bulk of the Mason-Dixon line.

Just saying.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 8:42:04 AM   
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Ah, no, only a select few... meaning.. it wasnt given... it never crossed your mind.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4161150

Might want to remember your words here.

When did you become a mind reader.
It was always a given with me.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 8:50:49 AM   
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Ah, no, only a select few... meaning.. it wasnt given... it never crossed your mind.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4161150

Might want to remember your words here.

Our first exchange in this thread


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Why bother with a trial?


Cleary that was in reference to those found guilty of crimes like this.


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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 8:58:37 AM   
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Ah, no, only a select few... meaning.. it wasnt given... it never crossed your mind.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4161150

Might want to remember your words here.



Interesting quote in which I condemn prejudgment



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Burden isn't on Zimmerman to prove self defense. It's on the State to disprove it.



and you dont understand burden of proof in the legal sense. simple and clear as that from your many posts attesting to it.

Your position presumes guilty until proven innocent.

The last line and only the last line is mine.

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RE: Strange that this never hit the forum.... - 8/28/2013 9:10:15 AM   
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