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Zonie63 -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 6:42:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I don't really see what the original post has to do with politics or religion...

Can we get a separate forum labelled mental illness for such statements?


I think it can be argued that feminism is a political issue. Many may disagree with the OP's style and particular statements he makes, but I think the topic of feminism itself would properly fall within the realm of politics.




tazzygirl -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 8:44:43 AM)

I disagree. Feminism covers more than just politics. It can be a political issue, or a social one, or an economic one. This particular video was a social statement, not a political one.




Moonhead -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 10:28:08 AM)

It's also worth remembering that the OP insists on describing any bolshy woman who's done something he doesn't like as "feminist", even pretty young failed pop singers who've put a video on youtube about wanting to shoot men who molest them, particularly when said wannabes are young and poorly informed enough that they'd be hard put to tell Madonna Ciccione and Camile Paglia apart...




mnottertail -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 10:30:55 AM)

One wears royal panties, doesn't one?




Lucylastic -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 10:38:12 AM)

Madges minge needs to be covered




mnottertail -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 10:50:08 AM)

Couldn't she just use a cabbage? Tradition, wot?




Lucylastic -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 10:51:59 AM)

I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Bastage




searching4mysir -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 10:57:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

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How hard do you think it'd be to go into the rap genre and find a whole host of lyrics promoting violence and rape and whatnot against women? I dislike those songs too.


How many of them songs are in mainstream videos on TV?

If they do exist, how many of them songs revolve around mutilating women's vaginas?




You consider this tripe "mainstream"? I've never heard of this wench before nor the song until YOU brought it to my attention. Congratulations, you gave this twerp some free advertising.




Moonhead -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 11:29:56 AM)

Apparently this tripe is mainstream, but Eminem and Rctal Cunt aren't.
Great, innit?




mnottertail -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 11:31:57 AM)

For all the tripe in the world, of course the incessant whinging threads and torsofuck, I understand may not be mainstream, unless you are the chap living it, as in the OP. It would seem real, innit?




Moonhead -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 11:40:32 AM)

The underground obviously ain't what it used to be, then...
[;)]




mnottertail -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 11:41:12 AM)

NO longer velvet, that is for certain.




Moonhead -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 12:31:14 PM)

Yep indeedy.




naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 3:25:51 PM)

Crazyml or whatever

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your opinion isn't evidence. I asked for evidence, you have produced none.


Do I have to write this in crayon for you?

The simple fact is that you claiming this song to be" brilliant and great" as you expressed in your words while saying songs that indicate gender violence against women is "fucked up pathetic misogyny" is a perfect example that your mentality is gynocentric.

Deny it all you want!

It doesn't matter if a woman is harassed with words or not, the simple fact is that you are giving a song that indicates gendered violence against men a pass. We all know you would be singing a whole different tune if a man made a song about shooting fat chicks in the vulva because he's pissed at them giving him sexual advances.

If a man did, it would be considered creepy and misogynistic rather than light hearted humour.

We can argue back and forth over and over with this but I don't think it's going to change anything. The simple fact is that you having different attitudes depending what gender is doing the gendered violence pretty much says it all.

You keeping in denial and making excuses for having two standards isn't going to help you.

Just imagine if it was only considered humorous and only given a pass due to some BS sympathy towards white people to make jokes of racial violence against blacks? Just imagine having two standards depending which race is the victim?

Just imagine if I made some BS argument implying that gendered violence against women should be considered funny because we should sympathise what men go through with women?


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Not least because it would remind us too keenly of the violence that is still perpetuated against women.


Double standard!

Gynocentric bigots always forget the facts.

http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj

So violence against men in music videos shouldn't be considered funny for the same reason? Do you feminists ever know how to stop being hypocrites?

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people that cannot distinguish between feminism and gynocentricity.


Actually, contemporary feminism and gynocentricity can easily be defined as the same thing. But speaking of gynocentrism, look how you raised the point that gendered violence against women wouldn't be funny because it reminds us keenly about the violence that is still perpetuated against women. Yet, you don't have the same standard for men who are victims of gendered violence. That is undeniable gynocentrism. And this type of hypocritical attitude is very typical to see from feminists.

I've never seen feminism support male issues equally with female issues. In fact, plenty openly admit that they don't give a flying fuck about men considering the common phrase within the movement, "what about teh menz"

Every single time I've brought up male issues around feminists, they usually try to hijack the topic with female issues to downplay any male issue or make it forgotten within the topic.

Gynocentrism?

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As are a number of feminist groups, writers and activists



Really? Really and truly? I would love to see this ahahahahaahaha

Last time I heard, men are marginalised in feminist founded DV services. If men do get "some" help, it wouldn't be anything near the likes of all the support women would get.












tazzygirl -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 3:34:45 PM)

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Last time I heard, men are marginalised in feminist founded DV services. If men do get "some" help, it wouldn't be anything near the likes of all the support women would get


If men reported .... if men organized... if men pushed their agenda in the right directions instead of in the faces of militant feminists who arent going to listen....




naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 3:37:00 PM)

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If men reported


95.3% of men felt domestic violence agencies were anti-male...40% reported being accused of perpetrating DV when seeking help at said agencies.

http://wordpress.clarku.edu/dhines/files/2012/01/Douglas-Hines-2011-helpseeking-experiences-of-male-victims.pdf

Yet, men are still blamed by bigots who refuse to look at the whole picture.




naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 3:38:38 PM)

http://www.saveservices.org/pdf/SAVE-VAWA-Discriminates-Against-Males.pdf




tazzygirl -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 3:44:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

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If men reported


95.3% of men felt domestic violence agencies were anti-male...40% reported being accused of perpetrating DV when seeking help at said agencies.

http://wordpress.clarku.edu/dhines/files/2012/01/Douglas-Hines-2011-helpseeking-experiences-of-male-victims.pdf

Yet, men are still blamed by bigots who refuse to look at the whole picture.


And? So because its hard on them they shouldnt report? They shouldnt go to the police? It was hard as fuck on women starting out. They had to report, they had to push, they had to demand.

Why do you seem to believe it should be so much easier for men?




naughtynick81 -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 3:53:23 PM)

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Why do you seem to believe it should be so much easier for men?


Men should have the same rights women have.

Either gender shouldn't have to fight and beg for something that the other gender already has.

Would I be considered sexist if men had something that women didn't and I was telling them that they have to fight and beg for it, they shouldn't get it easily for some demented reason?

It's like me holding something in front of women that they want and me laughing at them telling them they have to fight and beg for it, they shouldn't get what men are already getting without doing something ridiculous.

Nooo, that wouldn't be sexist.




Zonie63 -> RE: Feminist song openly calls for violence against men (9/3/2013 4:12:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I disagree. Feminism covers more than just politics. It can be a political issue, or a social one, or an economic one. This particular video was a social statement, not a political one.


Social and economic issues would also come under politics as well.




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