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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 8:08:25 AM

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What do you think the US should do in Syria if anything Ashjor, and how would it be received, and what good would come of it, we will kill innocents no matter what we do or how hard we try to avoid it.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 8:41:00 AM

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What do you think the US should do in Syria if anything Ashjor, and how would it be received, and what good would come of it, we will kill innocents no matter what we do or how hard we try to avoid it.

I honestly don't have an answer for those questions Ron..
but, before you ask those questions ... if the strike is not going to take him down & its not on the ground & its not targeting him..
its just to make a point that: "don't play with that stuff any more ... understood" ..

there are people who are happy with this strike.. & some are not ..

this is the real story before you would see it in the news ..
some of his high solders hide the "Chemo" in some Civilians homes.. & if the US going to target those homes it will all over the news (look what Obama has done) ...( he is killing in the name of freedom) it was done in Iraq & it WILL be here.

I mean there is an image for the US solders in "Arab world" in general .. (they come as conquerors or occupation force & not liberators)
the funny thing is the US solders do what "Arabs" are afraid to do.. remember gulf war 1 or 2 or taking Saddam down?

I don't like it here & I don't care if they all nuke each other .. just let me go first then they can kill each other ..

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 8:46:10 AM

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But say we blow up a few military installations, maybe knock out a few emplacements, and hand some heavy duty weapons to the rebels, much like we did in Libya. . .

Chemical weapons are not something we can have floating around as much as we interfere in the world. They will certainly be used against our installations abroad.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 9:12:08 AM

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And which is more likely to keep those weapons secure, Ron? Letting the brutal dictator regain control of his country, or creating more chaos where God knows who gets their hands on God knows what?

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 9:14:19 AM

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Neither is more likely. But like trying to repeal Obamacare for at the current count of 40 times, it is not an insurmountable effort, simply because it is futile. It is politics.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 9:27:53 AM

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And which is more likely to keep those weapons secure, Ron? Letting the brutal dictator regain control of his country, or creating more chaos where God knows who gets their hands on God knows what?

A large part of what is wrong with our foreign policy in the Middle East has been opting to support "stable" (horrendous) dictatorships instead of supporting what might be a change for the good (from our perspective).

What we get is leaders of a country that buddy-up to us and their millions of serfs who hate our guts. Once the serfs finally over-throw the dictator, we're right in the shit soup with him.

I don't know why we can't just let other countries do whatever they want as long as they don't mess with us.

Yes, there's oil in that region and if we follow the path I've just proposed, the hardline Islamic types might decide to keep that oil from us. In my mind, at that point, they're "messing" with us.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 9:50:11 AM

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Would "most people" be those still pissed at having lost not one, but two elections ?

Winning two elections didn't stop the left from calling Bush stupid.

Are you claiming he wasn't/isn't ?

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 9:51:25 AM

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At least, Bush had allies. Obama doesn't. Why aren't we calling him a 'cowboy' ?

That would be racist.

Cowman ? Cowperson ?

No,but this post certainly qualifies

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 10:03:44 AM

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I've commented more than once that the best thing we can do to eliminate the impact of Middle East chaos in the long term, would be for everybody to drive fast in big SUV's with the windows down, and the A/C on. Run them out of oil, and they stop mattering.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 10:05:45 AM

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 10:20:39 AM

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I've commented more than once that the best thing we can do to eliminate the impact of Middle East chaos in the long term, would be for everybody to drive fast in big SUV's with the windows down, and the A/C on. Run them out of oil, and they stop mattering.

This is my justification for driving an 10 mpg Suburban and building overpowered hot rods.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 10:57:23 AM

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Once again this President does the right thing in the right manner.
Now what will Congress do ?

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 12:00:55 PM

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pull the plug ...

its not going to happen until 09/09 so I still got some time ... good news for me

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 12:01:30 PM

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324463604579046902682624072.html

I've already let my Congressman know I expect a "no" vote from him.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 12:06:53 PM

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324463604579046902682624072.html

I've already let my Congressman know I expect a "no" vote from him.

It's gonna get interesting. The D's will mostly vote in lockstep with their leader (I want to see Pelosi grit her teeth and vote for military action, maybe her face will finally rip in half from the botox) but the R side. That'll be fun to watch.
Will they vote AYE and break with their tradition of "If Obama says 'nice day' to say 'no it sucks'"?
Will they vote Nay and be accused of being soft in the middle east?

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 12:35:12 PM

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Will they vote Nay and be accused of being soft in the middle east?

I'm not sure a "no" vote will necessarily be interpreted as being soft considering the number of people who seem to be against action. But you're right, it will be interesting to watch.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 1:58:13 PM

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It's gonna get interesting.

Oh that's for certain, Hill. I wouldn't be so sure about the Dems marching in lockstep on it though. The sales job in the media is going to be epic, and the pole shift would be hilarious, if it wasn't for the tragedy waiting on the other side of the door.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 2:08:22 PM

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Kerry? John F(raud) Kerry? That Kerry? Or this Kerry...

“For the American people to accept the legitimacy of this conflict and give their consent to it, the Bush administration must first present detailed evidence of the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and then prove that all other avenues of protecting our nation’s security interests have been exhausted,” Kerry wrote. “Exhaustion of remedies is critical to winning the consent of a civilized people in the decision to go to war.”

Kerry went on to say that Congress must be consulted and that the administration must not act on its own for the “legitimacy of our cause.”

“For the sake of our country, the legitimacy of our cause and our ultimate success in Iraq, the administration must seek advice and approval from Congress, laying out the evidence and making the case. Then, in concert with our allies, it must seek full enforcement of the existing cease-fire agreement from the United Nations Security Council,” Kerry wrote.

http://www.cfr.org/world/we-still-have-choice-iraq/p5596

Great post. I wish people who were making otherwise really good points could avoid the name-calling because it detracts from the message.

Overall what I think is that Obama has just reaffirmed America's role on the world stage as a highly armed military aggressor.

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 6:27:19 PM

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We are talking about John Kerry, here? The man that testilied to congress that 150 of his fellow veterans had:

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“…at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, bl(ew) up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages (like) Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam ... ”

THAT John Kerry? The guy that claims to have witnessed some of these attrocities and didn't report them in a timely fashion?

The guy that proudly displayed a silver star with a "V" device for valor on his DD-214 on his campaign website (The website no longer exists)? Silver stars are awarded for valor, specifically and do not come with a "V" device because that would be redundent (and not needed).

The guy that declared on Meet The (De)Press(ed):

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MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

THAT John Kerry?

Or, are we talking about the John Kerry that claimed that he spent Christmas of '68 IN Cambodia, listening to President Nixon on AFR (Nixon wasn't president until 20 JAN 69) when the two guys that were on his boat with him that he pushed out to defend him during his 2004 bid for president said that their boat was never in Cambodia in '68?

Kerry says the memory of being attacked by the Khmer Rouge was burned into his memory ... except the Khmer Rouge wasn't formed until 1970, almost a full year after Kerry got his early out. THAT John Kerry?

And you're seriously going to object to someone suggesting that John Kerry is a fraud? The name calling bothers you? Seriously?

If nothing else, John Kerry uttered the words: "I am a war criminal in that I ...(See the above MTP excerpt)" and then back-tracked like a mother-fucker when he was running for president.

So what about these facts could anyone possibly use to negate the word "fraud" being used in conjunction with John Kerry?

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RE: Kerry On Syria - 8/31/2013 7:24:07 PM

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VP Kerry is quite the busy-body.

Not a VP, but a SoS.

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