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President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:13:43 PM   
FatDomDaddy


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Status: offline 		Wow...he is all over the map!

He really looks like a amateur.

I wonder if the President had any idea on what he was expected to do before he decided to derail Mrs Clinton from her Presidency???



President Says He Is Prepared to Order Military Action, but Wants Support First From Lawmakers

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:22:00 PM   
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How funny that those shouting about Obama not asking congress, now piss and moan because he has said he will.

Guess who posted the following.....And it wasnt me.

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should the President call a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war, and should Congress vote to do so, I would firmily support the President and the war effort.

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:31:28 PM   
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Wow...he is all over the map!

He really looks like a amateur.



No looking about it, he is.


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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:32:26 PM   
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So would folks prefer that the President act without consulting Congress? Or not act at all?

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:33:12 PM   
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First of all in matters of foreign policy and as the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces, the President does not need to "ask" congress if there is a clear and present danger to the Country.

He is certainly NOT asking for a declaration of war either, though again, if the President did, and if it passed and war was declared by Congress, I would support the war effort.

The President is looking quite foolish.

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:34:14 PM   
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So would folks prefer that the President act without consulting Congress? Or not act at all?


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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:36:02 PM   
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Wow...he is all over the map!
He really looks like a amateur.
I wonder if the President had any idea on what he was expected to do before he decided to derail Mrs Clinton from her Presidency???
President Says He Is Prepared to Order Military Action, but Wants Support First From Lawmakers


Other than your analysis of his vacillations, what do you think of his actions?

I, for one, think it's great. I certainly hope he's not authorized to use military force, too. I know he's convinced that the Assad regime used the chem weapons. I just don't know, though. It seems way too early for that determination, imo. Too many conflicting reports.




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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:40:31 PM   
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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:41:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Wow...he is all over the map!

He really looks like a amateur.



Yeah. I'm so relieved he made another decision (just because that's the kind of guy he is, y'know) that he was going to let Congress carry out their Constituationally assigned duty.

A friend pointed something out elsewhere. "No boots on the ground," may be the big selling point, but for special forces types, type of footwear is optional.

If my country takes the steps to go to war, I'll look at the way forward from there. Until such time, I am opposed to taking such an action.



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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think his actions are too much, too little too late.

President Obama has been all over the map throughout the entire "Arab Spring" movement and its after math and it seems, since he now seems like he was never willing to back it up, that his "line in the sand" about Syria's use of Chemical Weapons was of his worst mistakes as President.


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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:43:20 PM   
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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:44:10 PM   
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So would folks prefer that the President act without consulting Congress? Or not act at all?


He is president and needs to do as he sees fit. My understanding is that, like Cameron here, Obama didnt need authorisation.

The fact both men have chosen this route will allay public fears, if we eventually decide to act.

Parliamentarians voted against taking action, especially without any manadate. Lest we forget this crap has been going on almost continually since the first Iraq war. The second Iraq war just opened the floodgates.

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:45:44 PM   
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What could possibly be wrong in consulting Congress on such a divisive issue?

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:46:51 PM   
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Who's pissed?

First of all in matters of foreign policy and as the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces, the President does not need to "ask" congress if there is a clear and present danger to the Country.

He is certainly NOT asking for a declaration of war either, though again, if the President did, and if it passed and war was declared by Congress, I would support the war effort.

The President is looking quite foolish.



Lmfao, you are now debating your own fucking words. See post #2 for details.

FYI, I didnt say you were pissed, but that you are pissing and moaning, not the same thing at all.

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:47:23 PM   
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too much, too little

Both at the same time?

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:47:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Wow...he is all over the map!

He really looks like a amateur.

I wonder if the President had any idea on what he was expected to do before he decided to derail Mrs Clinton from her Presidency???



President Says He Is Prepared to Order Military Action, but Wants Support First From Lawmakers

It's almost like someone's opinion changes based solely on opposing whatever the President does.

Less than 48 hours ago
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4533765/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4533970

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I think the United States really has no horse in this race and would be best served sitting it out or at best beefing up Israel's defenses. However,, should the President call a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war, and should Congress vote to do so, I would firmily support the President and the war effort.



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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:48:49 PM   
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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:49:46 PM   
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That was also my point in post #2

Just rubbing it in a little.

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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:53:53 PM   
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I think his actions are too much, too little too late.
President Obama has been all over the map throughout the entire "Arab Spring" movement and its after math and it seems, since he now seems like he was never willing to back it up, that his "line in the sand" about Syria's use of Chemical Weapons was of his worst mistakes as President.


I'll go with the assumption that he's been all over the map since the Arab Spring. Great. I don't give a fuck about what he did during the Arab Spring. Can't change that now, can he? Syria is now. Almost right now. A decision had to be made. The closing of the window of opportunity to actually impact the situation positively is imminent.




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RE: President Obama Looks to Congress Now On Syria - 8/31/2013 3:56:16 PM   
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President Obama has been all over the map throughout the entire "Arab Spring" movement and its after math and it seems,

Was there a single "movement" with a one-size-fits-all solution?

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