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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Because they unions...(not union members) are slime and deserve to be eradicated from the Earth and any planet we may ever conquer.

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I used to support labor unions, and overall, I still support the basic concepts of workers' rights, fair wage/benefit packages, safe working conditions, etc. However, I think that organized labor has shown itself to be more of a liability than an asset to the remaining 90% of the workforce that hasn't been afforded the privilege of being part of a union.

What is it about unions that you do not like?

I like the theory behind unions, and maybe back in the 1930s and 40s, they were ready to fight the good fight. But now, they're apparently only interested in protecting their pensions and not so much about the principles that motivated their existence in the first place. They already got theirs, so why should they care about anyone else?

Any validation for this peurile opinion?

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Where were the unions when Wal-Mart tried to strike a few months back? Just last week, I saw that some fast-food employees in various locations were going on strike, but why don't I see any unions stepping up to go to bat for these people? Where are they, and what are they doing to improve wages and working conditions for American workers

Since those companies are non union how exactly is the union suppose to help them?

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(and not just a few key trades or industries or government employees but ALL workers). I find it interesting that they're so desperate to "help" workers who are earning $15 an hour, but what about the workers who earn half that and are probably in greater need of union help?

How much did the farm workers make till they were unionized? How much do food service and housekeeping labor make in vegas?

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If they're not going to help organize and lead workers who need their help, then what good are they? What is it about unions today that there is to like?

The same thing there always was to like....bargaining power.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Because they unions...(not union members) are slime and deserve to be eradicated from the Earth and any planet we may ever conquer.

Tone down the violence advocating!!! You might get a reprimand from DomKen!!

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Hopefully it will work and they can get rid of the union for good.

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I used to support labor unions, and overall, I still support the basic concepts of workers' rights, fair wage/benefit packages, safe working conditions, etc. However, I think that organized labor has shown itself to be more of a liability than an asset to the remaining 90% of the workforce that hasn't been afforded the privilege of being part of a union.

What is it about unions that you do not like?

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Where were the unions when Wal-Mart tried to strike a few months back? Just last week, I saw that some fast-food employees in various locations were going on strike, but why don't I see any unions stepping up to go to bat for these people? Where are they, and what are they doing to improve wages and working conditions for American workers

Since those companies are non union how exactly is the union suppose to help them?

That's no excuse. They can still help them organize. How do you think it was for the early labor leaders? They were going up against non-union companies and took the risks. Are you saying that the union leaders today are nothing but a bunch of pussies? Yeah, I can believe that, but there's hardly anything worth liking, is there? "Oh it's non-union company, we can't do anything." What a load of bullshit. If they had a set of balls and an imagination, they could think of something, couldn't they?

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324463604579040781488196964.html?mod=WSJ_article_comments#articleTabs%3Dcomments

The workers seem unable to gain the necessary signatures to decertify the union...why is that?

Gerawan workers are circulating a petition to hold an election to decertify the union. They already have more than 1,250 signatures. To be valid, a majority of workers must vote to decertify.

Where does it say how many signatures are needed and that they are unable to get them? The only problem I saw mentioned was getting the election held in time. Hopefully it will work and they can get rid of the union for good.

In the quote I posted. It says it requires a majority. There are over 5000 workers and only 1250 have signed the petition.

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Hopefully it will work and they can get rid of the union for good.

And then, I'm sure, they'll repudiate all the rights, benefits, and protections secured through a century of battle by the labor movement.
Or maybe not. Anti-unionists' fervor never seems to extend quite that far. Funny that.

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Banning Unions won't bring back children in coal mines and all the other terrible business practices from yore. That's a false argument and you know it.

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Banning Unions won't bring back children in coal mines and all the other terrible business practices from yore. That's a false argument and you know it.

I don't know it, actually.
Not long ago, collective bargaining seemed like a bedrock right. Then Scott Walker came along.
Now we're watching folks have their hours--and thus income--shorn so that companies don't have to insure them.
In terms of child labor, granted, it's probably more likely via outsourcing/offshoring.
So forgive me if I'm reluctant to put my trust in corporate benevolence.
And I do think it's darkly entertaining to see folks bashing the very movement that brought them rights they show no eagerness to give up. Ditto for well-paid women sneering at feminism.

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Your bringing in Scott Walker is not a good point to make, either. Public Unions weren't the ones that rose up to counter the shitty conditions/treatment of the 30's. That was the Private sector Unions. Scott Walker is against Public sector Unions. Big difference.

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Like shutting down my school in order to pay janitors $25.63 an hour
"justice for janitors".

You work for less than that, I take it?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
The real commentary I was trying to raise was the state of california being able to drive a farmer out of business by being able to impose a union and a contract workers may not want.

Do you know how hard it would be to fight this?
9th circuit court of appeals is just famously loo loo.. you'd have to get this to the supreme court to have a shot at a fair hearing.

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Your bringing in Scott Walker is not a good point to make, either. Public Unions weren't the ones that rose up to counter the shitty conditions/treatment of the 30's. That was the Private sector Unions. Scott Walker is against Public sector Unions. Big difference.

I'm sure he's a huge fan of private sector unions too.
And actually, the fact that supposedly impregnable public unions could be eviscerated so swiftly doesn't bode well for the rights of any workers in any sector.
You seem to see an almost moral difference between public-sector and private sector unions, and I'm not quite sure why. Is it somehow less legitimate for cops and teachers to fight for their rights than for mechanics and printers?

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If every janitor in America were making that, both public and private sector, then it might be worth something. But if it's only for those janitors and no one else, then I think the criticism is valid.

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In a private Union, you have the Union negotiating with management. Management is the company that will use it's money to pay for the wages and benefits in the Union contract.

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People are more free-spending with other people's money than they are with their own.

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A private company can't simply increase it's income to pay for whatever package negotiation reaches. Government, however, can do that to some extent. Government can also run deficits to pay for that shit while a private company can't do that all the time.