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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 8:48:49 PM   
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I added what wasnt already on my list from yours. Questions if you dont mind. How do you see BC as a "men's" issue? Is it the limited choices to men?

And the shorter life expectancy? Is there something society can do to change that?

Mental health and suicide... again... is the expectation that society can change that as well?



I'll toss another one out.
In SOME states, (not all) if a man and woman are partnered and she has a child, he gets to pay support even if he can prove via DNA that she is a cheater and it is not his.

Weird huh?

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:10:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
A quick list:

3: Schools generally poorly designed for boys


You ARE kidding here, right?

The top prep schools in the US and the UK are essentially boy's schools. Nature teaches boys how to grope. Exeter prepares boys for the college education to teach them how to grab.


quote:

10: Birth control


Are you on the pill?





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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:22:15 PM   
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In general, men are grossly incompetent at anything which doesn't involve running a corporation or killing something. There is no man in the world who can cook, clean, dress himself, tie his own shoes, or even survive on a day-to-day basis without a woman holding his hand. We are stupider than women and more base also. We have no emotions to speak of and even if we did, we wouldn't speak of them. We are unable to commit and uninterested in anything other than fucking anything with a skirt.

In terms of constrictive roles, our role hasn't changed much in forever. Women's role has expanded greatly but it is still unacceptable for a male to be a "house dad". You can't wear a skirt even if it's 110 degrees out (women wear slacks nowadays). Despite women's advances in the work place if we can't provide for our family we are failures.

There's a pencil sketch.


I hope this was intended to be sarcastic because, if it wasn't, you're about one of the most egregious misandrists I have ever come across.

In particular that first paragraph is such a pile of stereotypical horse crap that I don't even think it's worth refuting, point-by-point.

If your post describes you, fair dues but you're kind of proving a point, the other way.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:36:51 PM   
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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:42:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		*DV funding is terrible for men's DV shelters.

*men are typically looked at as being predators while women get a blank pass.

* Men cant fend for themselves

* Inability to commit

* Communication skills lacking

*Highly restrictive gender roles.

*Erectile dysfunction

*Prostate cancer and BPH (enlarged prostate)
no matching business incentives based upon gender. (women get preference)

*Guilty until proven innocent if accused of anything inappropriate.

*getting killed in huge numbers in wars could be seen as a male problem.

*So, gender discrimination in divorce and custody matters

*Schools generally poorly designed for boys

* The draft

*Expected to pay for everything

* Mental health & suicide

* Shorter life expectancy

* Birth control

*"Be a man", "Man up", etc

*Women and children often get preferential treatment in evacuation situations.

*In SOME states, (not all) if a man and woman are partnered and she has a child, he gets to pay support even if he can prove via DNA that she is a cheater and it is not his.

* Rape or more accurately, preventing and eliminating rape (irrespective of the genders involved)

* Violence more accurately, preventing and eliminating violence, and the glorification of violence (irrespective of the genders involved)


This is what I have so far

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:47:12 PM   
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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:49:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is that really a "men's" issue?

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:55:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's two issues for your list tazzy:

1. Rape or more accurately, preventing and eliminating rape (irrespective of the genders involved)

2. Violence more accurately, preventing and eliminating violence, and the glorification of violence (irrespective of the genders involved)



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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:56:49 PM   
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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 9:59:19 PM   
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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 10:09:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

Society is harder on men operating outside of traditional gender norms than women.

That's a perceptive insight metamorfosis. Why do you feel that's the case? (If that's not too much of a derail ...... )

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 10:18:15 PM   
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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/5/2013 10:28:29 PM   
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Lets not get into the discussion aspect of this. I am merely looking for a list of concerns that men face and feel they are not adequately addressed by society.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 6:06:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Lets not get into the discussion aspect of this. I am merely looking for a list of concerns that men face and feel they are not adequately addressed by society.


I don't know if this strictly qualifies as a "men's issue," but oftentimes, I interpret debates like this as if they're being conducted in Western cultural isolation, without really taking into consideration how gender issues are perceived by other cultures in other areas of the world. It sometimes seems as if Western men are condemned for the splinter in their eye, while more egregious violations against women elsewhere in the world are not judged so harshly by comparison.

Another slightly related issue I see is that current generations of men are not really given any benefit of the doubt.

On a societal level, no real acknowledgement or credit is given to those who have sincerely and genuinely supported equality and rights for women. There are some men who have tried to make things better, yet that's still not good enough. To hear some people talk, they seem to think that we're still living in the 19th century.

On a personal level, it's kind of the same thing. I feel as if I have to walk on eggshells just to prove that I'm not some evil brute. I'm kind of a big guy, and some people have told me that I sometimes come across as "intimidating." It's not something I do consciously, but I don't like being judged unfairly when I haven't done anything wrong. I have nothing but scrupulous regard for the rights of other human beings, and I have never harmed another human being in my life. I sometimes feel I have to retreat or withdraw from situations just to placate the irrational fears of others. At least, if someone is going to judge me, judge me for what I am, not for what I am not. (I've never been falsely accused of anything, so it's not exactly the same thing as someone else brought up earlier. But I often feel as if I have to be extra special careful just to avoid anything like that.)

This may not be an issue that society can deal with, but you said earlier that you wanted to see how men view their world. I think these are all issues men have to deal with in real life, even if they don't actually address any particular law.

Another issue might be related to how the image of men is often reduced to a caricature, and this leads to misperceptions and a lack of understanding. As a result, my sense is that many (if not most) women today don't even really understand men beyond the lowest common denominator. They make a lot of assumptions about what they think they know about men, but those assumptions are often wrong. (As a result, many men try to mold themselves into that caricature because they think that's what women expect them to be, which can make it even more problematic.)


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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 6:45:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Something I don't see on your list, Tazzy is that men do not get a say in whether or not a female should get an abortion. Yet if she elects to keep the child, he is responsible for child support. There is an inequity here, though I admit I don't know how to word it succinctly.



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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 7:05:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Something I don't see on your list, Tazzy is that men do not get a say in whether or not a female should get an abortion. Yet if she elects to keep the child, he is responsible for child support. There is an inequity here, though I admit I don't know how to word it succinctly.




Yes and if they want to keep and raise the kid and the mother doesn't want to have it, he has no say in the matter. I knew a guy this happened to and it was very sad.


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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 7:22:47 AM   
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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 7:47:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree it is sad and wrong. Although I heartily agree that a female has the right to abortion, the potential father should have rights as well, and currently that is being ignored.

There are many issues here. If the female wants an abortion, and the male does not, should he have the right to force her to continue the pregnancy if he wants to raise the child?

The religious, spiritual, and personal integrity issues make this a topic with no clear boundaries for 'right' and 'wrong.'





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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 7:52:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Men suffered higher unemployment and longer jobless periods after the Great Recession.


Is that ongoing now?

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 7:57:19 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		*DV funding is terrible for men's DV shelters.

*men are typically looked at as being predators while women get a blank pass.

* Men cant fend for themselves

* Inability to commit

* Communication skills lacking

*Highly restrictive gender roles.

*Erectile dysfunction

*Prostate cancer and BPH (enlarged prostate)
no matching business incentives based upon gender. (women get preference)

*Guilty until proven innocent if accused of anything inappropriate.

*getting killed in huge numbers in wars could be seen as a male problem.

*So, gender discrimination in divorce and custody matters

*Schools generally poorly designed for boys

* The draft

*Expected to pay for everything

* Mental health & suicide

* Shorter life expectancy

* Birth control

*"Be a man", "Man up", etc

*Women and children often get preferential treatment in evacuation situations.

*In SOME states, (not all) if a man and woman are partnered and she has a child, he gets to pay support even if he can prove via DNA that she is a cheater and it is not his.

* Rape or more accurately, preventing and eliminating rape (irrespective of the genders involved)

* Violence more accurately, preventing and eliminating violence, and the glorification of violence (irrespective of the genders involved)

*Western men are condemned for the splinter in their eye, while more egregious violations against women elsewhere in the world are not judged so harshly by comparison.

*men are not really given any benefit of the doubt.

*no real acknowledgement or credit is given to those who have sincerely and genuinely supported equality and rights for women.

*come across as "intimidating."

*men do not get a say in whether or not a female should get an abortion.

*if they want to keep and raise the kid and the mother doesn't want to have it, he has no say in the matter

This is what I have so far


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