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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 8:03:47 AM

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*DV funding is terrible for men's DV shelters.

*men are typically looked at as being predators while women get a blank pass.

* Men cant fend for themselves

* Inability to commit

* Communication skills lacking

*Highly restrictive gender roles.

*Erectile dysfunction

*Prostate cancer and BPH (enlarged prostate)
no matching business incentives based upon gender. (women get preference)

*Guilty until proven innocent if accused of anything inappropriate.

*getting killed in huge numbers in wars could be seen as a male problem.

*So, gender discrimination in divorce and custody matters

*Schools generally poorly designed for boys

* The draft

*Expected to pay for everything

* Mental health & suicide

* Shorter life expectancy

* Birth control

*"Be a man", "Man up", etc

*Women and children often get preferential treatment in evacuation situations.

*In SOME states, (not all) if a man and woman are partnered and she has a child, he gets to pay support even if he can prove via DNA that she is a cheater and it is not his.

* Rape or more accurately, preventing and eliminating rape (irrespective of the genders involved)

* Violence more accurately, preventing and eliminating violence, and the glorification of violence (irrespective of the genders involved)

*Western men are condemned for the splinter in their eye, while more egregious violations against women elsewhere in the world are not judged so harshly by comparison.

*men are not really given any benefit of the doubt.

*no real acknowledgement or credit is given to those who have sincerely and genuinely supported equality and rights for women.

*come across as "intimidating."

*men do not get a say in whether or not a female should get an abortion.

*if they want to keep and raise the kid and the mother doesn't want to have it, he has no say in the matter

This is what I have so far

to mean ..

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did you have to remember me about (Erectile dysfunction & Prostate cancer)?

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 8:25:57 AM

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awww ash! So good to see you! and, no darling, I would never be mean to someone as nice as you.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 8:56:46 AM

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Thanx for your thoughtful approach here, tazzy.

Here's ONE all around us. Neither major political party has a mens watchdog organization, as a constituent part of its structure and support, without which that party would flounder, thus requiring never-ending legislation being thrown to the sub-organization, regardless.

In thinking about it. Not the why its that way. But the consequences of it continuing this way.

Furthermore. Not only don't men have a NOW, as fundamental part of the Democrat or Republicans. Men don't even have an outside lobby group. Just with some random public influence, if they were to occasionally push an issue hard enough. Nota.

This means for the long foreseeable future, woman gain even rather minor improvements with legislative ease. While there is almost no political way for men to gain in even areas of significant need, the type some have mentioned here.

As one of our common posters could tell you, what is ALWAYS said here is: Youve got the bug, you really should go start the group. The operative word being 'go'.

But nothing will start that way. Because men and women (even suicidal men if you note European studies) are conditioned everywhere they turn, to falsely believe that ordinary men have it all. It is that false conditioning which prevents.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 9:52:59 AM

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1. Set-asides for so-called 'woman owned businesses'. I've seen a lot of them when I worked with a lot of government contracts and typically, the woman has nothing to do with the company.

A dude puts his wife's name as owner of his construction company and the next thing you know, he has more business from the government than he knows what to do with. (yes, I have seen this happen). With one I worked with frequently, his wife didn't even know her name was on the company letterhead.

1. the examples you gave, its the men perpetrating the deceit, now isnt it? that is really an affront to all legit honest business owners (of both sexes)..
2. There are those same "set-asides" for "military vet owned businesses" (the majority of those being males) also.. I expect the same tactics are used in a certain number of those as you state for the "woman owned"..

..just sayin'

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 10:04:49 AM

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There will be a follow up thread for the discussion part of all of this. For now, I simply want ideas on what are the "men's" issues without the debate. I dont see anyone's viewpoints as being invalid at this time. Some have been quite interesting to read. I will be compiling the list and possibly start the second part of this topic tomorrow (And that you Admins for allowing this so far)

I had hoped nikki would come along as add to the list. I am sure he would have more information for us. I did it this way to take the sting of accusations out of the lists. So lets not finger point at this time.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 10:12:14 AM

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I agree. And I think many women have pointed this out, though not as well as you have. Men's groups are not as well organized as women's groups are. They dont have the national agenda well laid out, nor do they seem to have the ability to organize their efforts in a constructive way. Thank you for the addition.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 10:16:17 AM

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Another issue might be related to how the image of men is often reduced to a caricature, and this leads to misperceptions and a lack of understanding. As a result, my sense is that many (if not most) women today don't even really understand men beyond the lowest common denominator. They make a lot of assumptions about what they think they know about men, but those assumptions are often wrong. (As a result, many men try to mold themselves into that caricature because they think that's what women expect them to be, which can make it even more problematic.)

That rings at least partially true for me, I must admit. I've come across quite a few otherwise intelligent women who, for instance, reduce almost everything that happens in any man's brain to little more than ego, competition, vanity and so forth. It can really grate.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 10:20:30 AM

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Ok.. slight derail... but... grins... "2 heads, only enough blood flow for one at any given moment".. kinda deal?

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 11:51:35 AM

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1. Set-asides for so-called 'woman owned businesses'. I've seen a lot of them when I worked with a lot of government contracts and typically, the woman has nothing to do with the company.

A dude puts his wife's name as owner of his construction company and the next thing you know, he has more business from the government than he knows what to do with. (yes, I have seen this happen). With one I worked with frequently, his wife didn't even know her name was on the company letterhead.

1. the examples you gave, its the men perpetrating the deceit, now isnt it? that is really an affront to all legit honest business owners (of both sexes)..
2. There are those same "set-asides" for "military vet owned businesses" (the majority of those being males) also.. I expect the same tactics are used in a certain number of those as you state for the "woman owned"..

..just sayin'

If the set-asides didn't exist, then neither would the fraud at the expense of honest, hard working people who just happen to have a penis.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 11:55:50 AM

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You smell.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 11:58:56 AM

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~chuckles~

I'm glad I decided to back away from this thread.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 12:14:26 PM

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You smell.

LOL I was asking if that is what you meant!

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 12:31:38 PM

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http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/jun/06/sheryl-sandberg-how-succeed-business/?pagination=false

"Hanna Rosin’s The End of Men is very well documented, meticulously researched, and based on the author’s extensive reporting, not her personal life story. It also draws almost exactly the opposite conclusion. In The End of Men, Rosin argues that the real crisis facing America today is not the dearth of women bosses, but the dearth of men at all levels except at the very top."

"Middle-class, lower-middle-class, and poor men are dropping out of the workforce on a previously unimaginable scale. And this phenomenon, Rosin capably demonstrates, is extremely bad for women. Male underachievement, male unemployment, and male failure are undermining marriage, harming children, and destroying families."

"In the Great Recession, three quarters of the 7.5 million jobs lost belonged to men."

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 1:37:25 PM

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Men's groups are not as well organized as women's groups are.

oh.. I dunno.. The Old Boy's Network seems to be quite well organized!..

It will be interesting to see how your next thread will be able to determine which views are actually true or not (I am guessing the discussion will be allowed in that one?).. for instance, in an older thread some men claim women earn almost the same as men to, but just the other day I saw an article headline (I didn't read it tho) that female doctors earn considerably less than male doctors.. With some issues, there are different ways to interpret stats, etc to get totally opposite conclusions..

I am not quite sure what Nick said to get you on this roll..

or what it will prove in the end..

I guess we will see..

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 1:40:46 PM

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If the set-asides didn't exist, then neither would the fraud at the expense of honest, hard working people who just happen to have a penis.

I think those that do the fraud with the set-asides would find a way to get an unfair upper hand in whatever other ways they could (illegal, fraudulent, immoral, etc).. cuz that is the nature of the beast, imo..

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 2:11:24 PM

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1. Set-asides for so-called 'woman owned businesses'. I've seen a lot of them when I worked with a lot of government contracts and typically, the woman has nothing to do with the company.

A dude puts his wife's name as owner of his construction company and the next thing you know, he has more business from the government than he knows what to do with. (yes, I have seen this happen). With one I worked with frequently, his wife didn't even know her name was on the company letterhead.

1. the examples you gave, its the men perpetrating the deceit, now isnt it? that is really an affront to all legit honest business owners (of both sexes)..
2. There are those same "set-asides" for "military vet owned businesses" (the majority of those being males) also.. I expect the same tactics are used in a certain number of those as you state for the "woman owned"..

..just sayin'

If the set-asides didn't exist, then neither would the fraud at the expense of honest, hard working people who just happen to have a penis.

Where I live (and everyhere else I have lived), set asides and every other advantage, legal or illegal, are used by the more successful to dominate their business. If no legal advantage is available, they certainly continue with political payoffs, favoritism, under the table payoffs to officials and inspectors and whatever coercion of sellers, buyers and stake holders in the community work to their advantage. Legal stuff is small potatoes compared to what really works.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 3:20:35 PM

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You smell.

LOL I was asking if that is what you meant!

Not really. I meant that, per the stereotypes, a lot of women seem to believe that men have a narrower range of feelings than do women themselves. On average this may be true . . . but it doesn't mean that we have just two feelings - happiness, and anger bred by hurt ego.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 3:44:49 PM

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My brother was unemployed for two years and now he's under employed. My brother-in-law's business folded and his whole life has become a mess. A friend of mine's husband lost his job in publishing and has still not found work.

All related to the Great Recession.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 4:58:36 PM

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You smell.

LOL I was asking if that is what you meant!

Not really. I meant that, per the stereotypes, a lot of women seem to believe that men have a narrower range of feelings than do women themselves. On average this may be true . . . but it doesn't mean that we have just two feelings - happiness, and anger bred by hurt ego.

We have the same range as they do. Mostly we don't allow them to rule us. I'm aware of them, but they better sit in the corner and mind their business until I call for them.

Shit I shed a tear after 911. Jumping out of a building to escape one gruesome death and replace it with a quicker one.

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RE: What do you see as a "men's" issue? - 9/6/2013 5:10:14 PM

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Not sure if we're focusing just on Homo sapiens, but this definitely counts as a male issue in other realms.

http://smithsonianscience.org/2011/10/suitors-gentle-massage-sooths-aggressive-cannibalistic-female-spiders-researchers-find/

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