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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/1/2006 5:25:40 PM

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Bearlee, if I may, I am curious about your post. Do you think by saying "I think" prior to "that is the most ridiculous example I've ever seen" enables your comment to be viewed as courteous?

Did you intend

quote:

But gee, thanks for your opinion.

to be sincere or sarcastic, and if sarcastic...courteous?

Same question applies:

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Perhaps you should start a thread on ‘What is a Geisha’…so you can let us all know.

I ask because I want to understand. I often read your posts with an intention of negative sarcasm, yet here you are saying you believe people can disagree and still be courteous. I am afraid I am misinterpreting you, and if so, please correct me. It may be my background, but calling those who aren't close friends, "honey" and shaking one's head at another have always given me negative feelings. Because this forum does not enable us to communicate with eye contact, body language and vocal influctions, I want to understand if I am receiving you accurately.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/1/2006 5:52:23 PM

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So before... or even after you judge someone... take more than one look..... someone might surprise you...

Many do take more than one look... some never stop watching.... just like you have improved in expressing yourself over the course you have been on this board, particularly of late.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/2/2006 7:53:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Bearlee, if I may, I am curious about your post. Do you think by saying "I think" prior to "that is the most ridiculous example I've ever seen" enables your comment to be viewed as courteous?

Did you intend
quote:

But gee, thanks for your opinion.
to be sincere or sarcastic, and if sarcastic...courteous?

Same question applies:
quote:

Perhaps you should start a thread on ‘What is a Geisha’…so you can let us all know.

I ask because I want to understand. I often read your posts with an intention of negative sarcasm, yet here you are saying you believe people can disagree and still be courteous. I am afraid I am misinterpreting you, and if so, please correct me. It may be my background, but calling those who aren't close friends, "honey" and shaking one's head at another have always given me negative feelings. Because this forum does not enable us to communicate with eye contact, body language and vocal influctions, I want to understand if I am receiving you accurately.

Owned.. you and I must be seeing things the same way...

KoM..... I am trying ... so I thank you for that. I know I slip sometimes... but I am still trying...

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 3:47:55 AM

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I believe that treating others with respect and courtesy has everythign to do with who i am .. and nothing to do with who they are or whether they "deserve " it. or if i am obligated to give it. It is integral to my sense of self respect rather than an aspect of my submissive nature. The same behavior is particularily important for a Dom or anyone else in a position of power to have if he wishes me to feel respect for him as well as show it .

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 5:32:19 AM

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A geisha and a geiko, today at least, are the same. Geiko is the name coloquially used in Kyoto, Gion and Pontocha being the geisha areas there and geisha more often in Tokyo, Akasaka being the geisha area there. Kyoto consider that their geikos are the best there is.

0wnedgirlie- Geishas are in high demand today and though their training is as rigorous as ever, they are very much in command of their own lot. They do not get married but they have suitors and it's very expensive hobby to have a relationship with geisha. Their kimonos can cost up to $30,000 and you would be expected to buy a couple.

The mother of my youngest daughter is Kyoto born and bred, though she says that even the Japanese don't get to see the inside world of the geikos, not unless you are rich that is and even amongst the Japanese there are myths about them.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 5:51:48 AM

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Thanks for that information meatcleaver.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 7:16:01 AM

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I want to thank all of you who took the time to respond to my first thread. While I do not agree with all that have posted, I have found all that has been said to be worth thinking about.

I'd said in my OP that I did not want to give my own ideas on the situation at first because I did not want my own beliefs to become the basis of the posts that would follow rather than the questions posed. It is my belief that behavior is only a general indication of the person and not an indicator of the entire person. It reflects on the person, either poorly or positively but I understand that I may be witnessing one specific instance of their behavior which, at the time, may be an aberration.

That said, I admit that I always respond negatively to rudeness. And as I noted earlier, I am not referring to rudeness defined by myself but rather by the dictionary definition of rudenesss. I am one of those who believes, as someone else noted, that a courteous submissive is a joy to be around...a rude submissive is a pain in the ass that, at this stage of my life at least (I'm tempted to say 'never' but who knows what the future holds), I am not all that interested in being around. Before I would decide that, I would want to see them in several instances but if they are a person who is discourteous in general; in other words, to everyone they meet...then I would have little interest in being around them.

One last thing about my own beliefs. There was the phrase used here that "I'm just me". I occasionally use that phrase myself and do so to indicate that I may be in a non-rectifiable disagreement with someone or to indicate why I like something when no other explanation seems to be able to be arrived at. That doesn't happen often for, as most people who know me can tell you, I can usually come up with a reason for why I like or dislike something. However, I've also heard that phrase used in an attempt to excuse behavior: "I'm not rude...I'm just me."
In my opinion, if you fit the dictionary definition of rude and you've had more than two people tell you that you are...and no, I don't mean in the midst of a heated argument between you and a friend/significant other/loved one...then, the "me" you are...is rude.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 8:45:14 AM

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Perspectives are interesting. How we see others can of course depend on our own state of mind at the time as well as how people see us. At times our natural mannerism can be the basis of people judging or assessing us. We both assess or judge others as we are judged from either a written post or in information received second hand (usually unreliable)...

Whern I see some one with an agressive stance or attitude, I usually figure that the person is either pissed off or feeling threatened and is defensive (Fight or Flight syndrome). Some one obviously nervous and unhappy I tend to see as some one who has just had a barney with someone stronger or someone loved. My instinct for the former is to want to see if there is something I can do to help and with the latter is to want to give support and comfort.... Often common sence and good manners will dictate my actions untill I have a handle on the situation..

On a personal basis, what pople see here on CM is pretty well what they get in a real life face to face meeting with me, except I'm probably more tactfull and less confrontational because I can read the body language and pick up on the voice inflections as well as using other scenses.. Even with those who i don't like they can expect good manners and to be treated with respect unless and untill they loose ll my respect (That is bloody hard to do too). I'll tell you I have a trigger Irish/Beserker temper with my own mistakes but have the patience of job with others. I think I'm a pretty simple bloke but strangely most folks who know me keep telling me I'm a complex multifacited bastard and impossible to get a handle to understand let alone predict...

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 9:10:33 AM

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Thank you Meatcleaver. I actually think their dress is fascinating, in that the simple way a knot is tied can represent different thing. I was under the impression, however, that training started when they were children, which is why I commented that their lot is chosen for them. What they do with their training after that, however, determines their ultimate success. That was my understanding of it anyway.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 10:18:32 AM

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In neither of these cases can I judge an individual's submissiveness -- that is something that only -they- can evaluate, in terms of the level that they have. What I -am- able to do is evaluate how that individuals submissiveness fits with our household's desires. With that in mind, what I see when I meet a courteous submissive individual is an individual who clearly cares enough about him or herself to wish to be listened to, and to give and get respect from others. I see an individual that I am liable to be more inclinded to want to associate with, and in individual who has clearly taken some time to make sure that he or she is polished in working in groups and with people. These are very attractive characteristics for us, and frankly, we won't hold much of a conversation with, nor even consider entering into negotiations with a submissive who is not courteous.

Especially treasured are the courteous submissive individuals with quick wit and intellect, who can hold an intense discussion on a subject on which we disagree and display a finely honed sense of humor that does not denegrate hirself or others, and still maintain dignity and courtesy throughout.

If I encounter a submissive individual who lacks courtesy, I will often come away with the perception that this person does not care enough about him or herself to take the effort to present hirself in a positive light. I have no issue whatsoever with a submissive individual who disagrees with me, or who shares a different opinion, but if xhe presents that opinion in a manner that is rude, belligerent, overtly or covertly hostile, or just plain boorish, that individual will not only lose any opportunity of being considered for a position with us, but will also, typically, find that he or she is speaking to a wall, as I will not tolerate boorish behavior from myself, so it is unrealistic to expect that I would accept the same directed towards me by another (whether xhe tends towards a dominant or submissive personality).

We strongly discourage "doormat syndrome" in our household. We have had some servants who felt entirely incapable of speaking up for themselves under any circumstance, even when the situation was near-wholly intolerable for them -- in these cases, I am often an advocate for our servants, which is part of my role as the spiritual leader of our enclave, until such time as we can teach them to respect themselves. By the time they leave our service, for those who complete time with us instead of abdicating their position or being removed for repeated violations of House standards, even the most self-depricating of servants (thus far) has developed a strong measure of self-esteem.

This being said, it seems to me that the most meek of our servants has not had the self-esteem issues that the few belligerent and obnoxious potential servants we've encountered have had. I have to be honest -- I'd much rather work to heal the esteem scars of a meek servant than one who lets that self-loathing hide behind rudeness, boorish behavior, antipathy and bullying.

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quote:ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant What do you think? When you meet a courteous submissive, do you automatically assume that here is a submissive who is a doormat? When you meet a submissive who appears to have little in the way of manners/respect, do you automatically assume that they aren't really submissive or are just playing at it?

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 10:47:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Thank you Meatcleaver. I actually think their dress is fascinating, in that the simple way a knot is tied can represent different thing. I was under the impression, however, that training started when they were children, which is why I commented that their lot is chosen for them. What they do with their training after that, however, determines their ultimate success. That was my understanding of it anyway.

Their training used to start as around the age of 12 plus but many would have been living in the okiya much earlier as child servants. There were many reasons why a young girl would end up training to be a geisha, one of the reasons being of poor parents, who couldn't give their daughter security in any other way. Nowadays geishas can live off their salary and start their training around 15 plus. ( I stand to be corrected on this, this is just my recollection of what I've been told.)

EDITED TO ADD - The young girls would progress onto helping dress a geisha. Apparently it is impossible for one to dress themselves. If you are ever lucky enough to see one they really are a living work of art. There is a hotel on the bank of the Kamo river on the edge of the Gion area in Kyoto, where if you are patient enough in the early evening, you might be lucky to glimpse a geisha or two leaving in taxis to go to their clients.

I was lucky enough to be dining on a resturant terrace and saw a geisha performing, little more than ten metres away, on the terrace of a resturant adjacent to us. It was a rare and marvelous experience.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 10:49:50 AM

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This being said, it seems to me that the most meek of our servants has not had the self-esteem issues that the few belligerent and obnoxious potential servants we've encountered have had. I have to be honest -- I'd much rather work to heal the esteem scars of a meek servant than one who lets that self-loathing hide behind rudeness, boorish behavior, antipathy and bullying.

ZWD

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 10:56:21 AM

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What troubles me is the discrepencies between what is considered rude of a person who identifies as a submissive in contrast to what is rudeness from some dominants.
If a submissive voices an opposing opinion, some dominants consider them rude.
If a submissive doesn't act submissively to all who call themselves dominant, some consider that rude.
My philosophy is that as a person and participant on the boards, I have the right to express myself. Some days I am able to be more courteous in my responses; when certain topics touch one of my hot buttons I'm not always able to be 'polite' about it.
What matters in my life is my submission to Master; as he is pleased with me, I do not feel obligated to be submissive to anyone else.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 11:07:48 AM

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Couldn't agree more, catize. I was just about to comment much to the same effect; why is it that rudeness was associated with submissive people only?

Does being dominant somehow grant one license to excuse his own rudeness?

Being impolite is a people problem, not a D/s, M/s or BDSM or any other letters you'd like to throw out there problem. The perception of what is rude varies from person to person, and from location to location.

If you find a particular word or action by someone, anyone, to be rude, then you've the right to believe that person is rude. You cannot, however, extrapolate your opinion of that person to include any other people.

Sometimes, certain things are taken as rude, when they really aren't. Personally, I am pretty shy around strangers and in public. I may not meet your eye or if I do, I will quickly look away, although I will thank you for holding the door for me, but probably in a voice so soft, you may barely hear me, especially if you are male. Am I being rude? No, I'm not, I'm struggling very hard to be polite and gracious. I'm just shy.

When all is said and done, I think the old adage remains, "Don't judge a book by it's cover."

Your perception is *your* truth, it just may not be *the* truth. Might do you well to take time to find out.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 11:43:04 AM

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Again I thank you for the the information, Meatcleaver. It was my understanding of children serving in okiya's which instigated my original statement about their lot, or, destinations, being chosen for them.

I can only imagine the beauty you encountered. How amazing for you.

Thanks to the others for indulging in this partial thread-hijack. What I have said on courtesy remains, and the unanswered questions of one remain out there for any to ponder.

Thanks again, Meatcleaver :)

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 11:52:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: feastie

Couldn't agree more, catize. I was just about to comment much to the same effect; why is it that rudeness was associated with submissive people only?

Does being dominant somehow grant one license to excuse his own rudeness?

On a personal level only, the rudest people I know in the BDSM, D/s, M/s and Gorean Lifestyles are Dominants. In fact I can only remember comming accross two rude sub/slaves..

In my view, being a Dominant should mean that you are going tolead by example. One of the best Doms I have met was also one of the most courtious and well mannered gentlemen (I do mean gentleman in the old fashion way and in all his dealings in and out of the lifestyle) I have had the pleasure of meeting.... He was a srtict disclipinarian and a sadist. Yet he never became anything other than well mannered even with provoked by ignorant loud mouthed people....

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 11:56:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

What troubles me is the discrepencies between what is considered rude of a person who identifies as a submissive in contrast to what is rudeness from some dominants.
If a submissive voices an opposing opinion, some dominants consider them rude.
If a submissive doesn't act submissively to all who call themselves dominant, some consider that rude.

I agree, there are dominants who do just that. However, there are many...like myself...who have no problem with an opposing opinion. The problem begins when the opposing opinion is stated in a discourteous manner. Not unsubmissive...submission does not have to equate to courteous.

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My philosophy is that as a person and participant on the boards, I have the right to express myself. Some days I am able to be more courteous in my responses; when certain topics touch one of my hot buttons I'm not always able to be 'polite' about it.
What matters in my life is my submission to Master; as he is pleased with me, I do not feel obligated to be submissive to anyone else.

In the terms you noted above, I agree with you. You do not owe submissive behavior to anyone other than who your dominant and you agree upon. However, as has been noted, submission does not equate to courtesy. There are plenty of courteous people who are neither dominant nor submissive.
I feel that there is nothing wrong with expressing yourself passionately, especially when a topic touches a hot button. Showing restraint and calling someone a "racist" for example rather than a "racist asshole pig who should be taken out to be slaughtered" when their original post would warrant such a response would be a model of restraint and a form of courtesy.

This post was about our perceptions of people based on their behavior...that behavior was defined as courteous vs. rude...and that was further defined in a later post as "rude as defined by the dictionary", not by me or any other poster" and "courteous as defined by the dictionary" and not by any other poster.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 12:07:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: feastie

Couldn't agree more, catize. I was just about to comment much to the same effect; why is it that rudeness was associated with submissive people only?

Rudeness wasn't associated with submissive people only, it was associated with them for the purpose of posing the question. Trust me when I say that I do not believe that dominants cannot be rude. Have met too many that are...

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Does being dominant somehow grant one license to excuse his own rudeness?

In his/her own little world...maybe. Not in the larger world we all live in. MOO

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Being impolite is a people problem, not a D/s, M/s or BDSM or any other letters you'd like to throw out there problem. The perception of what is rude varies from person to person, and from location to location.

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I agree...it is a people problem. I chose not to verse it as such as I did not want generic answers for a generic question. I wanted to delve into a specific question. As for perception of what is rude, since it may indeed vary from one to another, that is why I specifically defined it in a later post and through examples in my original post, as that which is defined by the dictionary.

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If you find a particular word or action by someone, anyone, to be rude, then you've the right to believe that person is rude. You cannot, however, extrapolate your opinion of that person to include any other people.

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Not going by my opinion here though...going by dictionary definition.

quote:

Sometimes, certain things are taken as rude, when they really aren't. Personally, I am pretty shy around strangers and in public. I may not meet your eye or if I do, I will quickly look away, although I will thank you for holding the door for me, but probably in a voice so soft, you may barely hear me, especially if you are male. Am I being rude? No, I'm not, I'm struggling very hard to be polite and gracious. I'm just shy.

You're right...someone not noticing your spoken words or taking note of your other behaviors indicating shyness, just might take you as being rude. And they would be wrong. But, their being wrong would be because of their own mistakes...not yours.

quote:

When all is said and done, I think the old adage remains, "Don't judge a book by it's cover."
Your perception is *your* truth, it just may not be *the* truth. Might do you well to take time to find out.

Which is why I noted that I personally would require several instances of observing/being around someone before I would form an opinion as to whether or not they, versus their actions alone, were indeed rude or courteous.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 12:13:52 PM

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Interesting thread. CD, I can't really answer your original post because, like KoM, I think the generalizations you made are too broad. There are much more than just those two groups or possibilities.

What I can say is this, I prefer the complany of people who are generally courteous.
I personally think courtesy in a submissive is very appealing.
In a submissive seeking my collar, I expect courteous behavior.

As for what behavior really indicates? Behavior, observed over time, tells me all I need to know of anyone's nature.

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RE: Perceptions: What does behavior really indicate? - 7/3/2006 1:44:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Showing restraint and calling someone a "racist" for example rather than a "racist asshole pig who should be taken out to be slaughtered" when their original post would warrant such a response would be a model of restraint and a form of courtesy.

Not to steal CreativeDominant's post, but to expand on how many levels and how subtle courtesy may be...*smiles* Another presentation of restraint and courtesy leaves room for the other individual to accept hir responsibility for an error graciously, or to prove hirself a lout by continuing inappropriate behavior.

If I have my wits about me, and am not overly pressured by the day, in a situation like CreativeDominant's above, I might state "That strikes me as a rather racist remark.", leaving the door open for the individual to indicate why he or she believes that I am incorrectly interpreting the comment, or to continue the behavior, but does not claim to define the -individual- as anything for one remark that I may have misinterpreted. It is often an act of courtesy to give the benefit of the doubt, and allow that even the most well-meaning people behave inappropriately on occasion. Of course, should the individual continue on the same vein -- I will have no qualms about labeling said individual as "racist" in my personal mental journal, and will excuse myself from further discussion and make note that said individual is not a welcome presence in our enclave.

If I am tired or my anger has been pressed to the breaking point, I know that I will lose some of my courteousness. (Which is why, when I am stressed to that level, I often become a hermit -- I would rather be seen as unsociable than as discourteous or rude.)

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