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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
And according to your own link, 12 states and DC have no law. Does 12 states not qualify as "quite a few"? I mean, "a few" is three. So, I think 12 qualifies as "quite a few". In fact, it's four "fews".

No, 12 (out of 50) is not "quite a few", but even if it were, that would only mean there were "quite a few" states that have no law regarding fetal homicide. Your claim was that quite a few states don't regard it as fetal homicide until the fetus surpasses the weeks set by law for on-demand abortion. I could find no state at all for which that was true.

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You did try and equate a man drugging someone without their knowledge to a man having to live up to his responsibilities for having unprotected consensual sex. You were clearly wrong and no amount of trying to walk that back will change your initial vile statement.

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but it was Lee's dream to have a child.

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"Nothing is going to bring back what was taken from her," Lee's attorney Gil Sanchez said.

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81
LP, did you even read the article? If so, you would probably have a clear understanding of what this is actually about in regards of the sympathy double standard.

That said, are you saying men don't feel any emotion, any loss, if a fetus exist from his offspring and it gets taken away over his will? Men just apparently laugh it off, shrug it off?

Get real, lady!

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Well, not to let facts get in the way of a passive-aggressive slam, aimed at me ...

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ORIGINAL: getoutnow

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but it was Lee's dream to have a child

LMAO. This is one of the reasons why I wont date single moms on here on CM. They never aspired to anything else than having children.

Single moms here destroy guys who have no kids.

1) You end up paying for their sprogs.
2) You get told things like "But we are a family now"
3) The single mom double dips, she gets welfare, she gets the dad to pay and then she gets the new man to pay, all for her child.
4) In the beginning you find yourself with a lot of time with the MOM. But when you get married that time is gone. Infact your time is now hers. You have to do as you are told as you are a family now. Yes trips here and there with her demon spawn as you the taxi driver are in store. What you didnt know is there was an army of her friends doing jobs for her when she was dating you. Now she is married, she and her friends have to sucker someone else to marry one of her friends with a kid.
5) When the child is a teen, they will tell the new "step dad". you are not my real dad, you can't tell me what to do.
6) When the child gets married, guess who has to pay? Yeah the new dad. and guess what, he'll be the one in the back row or never even invited.
7) When the child grows up, is another loser like her mom and living with the new dad at 21. Gone are the dreams where you think they will flock the nest and you'll have privacy with the mom. Nope think again.
8) Finally and the death knell. Single moms who have a kid or two kids, usually dont want kids any more. Guess what matey, for all intents purposes you are infertile. Who is gonna have your own kids now?

I have seen all these things happen and worse and many more.

Single guys reading this. Stay away from Single MOMs. You have been warned!

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis
If you're saying men deserve no sympathy for losing a pregnancy they wanted simply because they're not the ones carrying the child, then I'd say you're proving Nick's point.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I would disagree. There is no infringement to the male's body. Therefore, they can not be constituted as the same.

In order to induce an abortion in this manner, a chemical poison had to be introduced. To date, no male who has wanted a fetus to come to term has had such a physical disturbance introduced to his person. No substance reagent to cause a physical response.

The loss of a fetus to a male exists on the mental and emotional realm. Nothing forced into his physical body against his will. The closest equivalent would be an agent introduced by an outside party that would leave him temporarily sterile.

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

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You did try and equate a man drugging someone without their knowledge to a man having to live up to his responsibilities for having unprotected consensual sex. You were clearly wrong and no amount of trying to walk that back will change your initial vile statement.

Where did I try to equate that and what vile statement are you talking about?

You seem to have terrible comprehension.

What I'm exactly equating here is the same crime, if you want to call it a crime, which results to the same outcome regardless if the mother or father does it. So why two standards for that matter? Regardless if the father or mother does it, it's the exact same friggen outcome, you just ended a life. Therefore, it should be treated the same.

On the other hand, the way this guy did it by tricking the mother into abortion drugs, I think that is totally wrong. The guy needs to be punished for that but not be convicted for murder.

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You cannot possibly be that dense.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: getoutnow

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but it was Lee's dream to have a child

LMAO. This is one of the reasons why I wont date single moms on here on CM. They never aspired to anything else than having children.

Single moms here destroy guys who have no kids.

1) You end up paying for their sprogs.
2) You get told things like "But we are a family now"
3) The single mom double dips, she gets welfare, she gets the dad to pay and then she gets the new man to pay, all for her child.
4) In the beginning you find yourself with a lot of time with the MOM. But when you get married that time is gone. Infact your time is now hers. You have to do as you are told as you are a family now. Yes trips here and there with her demon spawn as you the taxi driver are in store. What you didnt know is there was an army of her friends doing jobs for her when she was dating you. Now she is married, she and her friends have to sucker someone else to marry one of her friends with a kid.
5) When the child is a teen, they will tell the new "step dad". you are not my real dad, you can't tell me what to do.
6) When the child gets married, guess who has to pay? Yeah the new dad. and guess what, he'll be the one in the back row or never even invited.
7) When the child grows up, is another loser like her mom and living with the new dad at 21. Gone are the dreams where you think they will flock the nest and you'll have privacy with the mom. Nope think again.
8) Finally and the death knell. Single moms who have a kid or two kids, usually dont want kids any more. Guess what matey, for all intents purposes you are infertile. Who is gonna have your own kids now?

I have seen all these things happen and worse and many more.

Single guys reading this. Stay away from Single MOMs. You have been warned!

Thank goodness single moms and all women have been warned. You may not choose to be with someone with kids, but your moronic and stereotypical generalizations are truly disgusting to all the hardworking (multiple jobs) single mothers who are either widowed, divorced, or in myriad of circumstances.

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DomKen
You [naughtynick] cannot possibly be that dense.

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You are skipping the fact that a male could potentially impregnate another woman in the same amount of time that a woman would go through her next ovulation cycle. In other words, his dream isn't dead.

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but it was Lee's dream to have a child.

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"Nothing is going to bring back what was taken from her," Lee's attorney Gil Sanchez said.

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there's a clear logical failure here.

if the man is guilty of murder, then all abortion must be murder.

if abortion is not murder, then this man cannot be charged with murder. maybe harm to another person, misleading them into taking a drug, but not murder.

you can't just make murder ok because a certain person is doing it, and punish another for it.

John Andrew Welden pleaded guilty Monday to federal charges of product tampering and mail fraud, admitting in court, as he had to detectives, that he slipped his ex-girlfriend an abortion drug.

Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/john-andrew-welden-pleads-guilty-in-tampa-abortion-pill-case/2140798

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ORIGINAL: hlen5
If I thought Nick could actually hear it, I'd agree that it's unfair for the bio-Dad to not have a say in a pregnancy.

Well I heard it and thanks. Although I still think that this bit of unfairness is trumped by the woman's right to her own body. I just wish such decisions also carried the financial implications along with them.... you want to keep the baby and the other partner doesn't? Fine. Then keep it and pay for it. Yeah, that's not a perfect solution either. I doubt there is a perfect solution.

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DesideriScuri
Just because the fetus is in her body, it doesn't cancel out the fact that she is ending the life of another being. Murder is murder. No matter if she does it or he does it, it is still ending the life of another being which results to the same outcome, murder or whatever you want to call it.

Not until that fetus reaches personhood and is afforded all the rights afforded to humans. That's the key part there. The reason some Republicans try to pass personhood bills making personhood start at conception is because once that fetus gains personhood, ending it's life is murder. That is an extremely important legal matter.

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ORIGINAL: Oneechan

there's a clear logical failure here.

if the man is guilty of murder, then all abortion must be murder.

if abortion is not murder, then this man cannot be charged with murder. maybe harm to another person, misleading them into taking a drug, but not murder.

you can't just make murder ok because a certain person is doing it, and punish another for it.